Comment on The System does not work.
CannonFodder@lemmy.world 3 days agoRight, we’ve certainly let it get out of control in the U.S. and many other western countries, to lesser degrees. But what else has been shown to work without falling into a fascist nightmare or nose diving quality of life for the majority? As they say, capitalism is the worst system, except for all the others.
SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Uh, you really should look at the history of quality of life during the communist transitions of both China and the USSR. The incredibly deadly, massive famines that are often pointed to as ‘failures’ are closer to a reversion back to the norm.
The massive poverty reduction often cited as “see capitalism works!” Is >75% China’s communist conversion. Even the world bank admits this! How the hell does a nation of peasant farmers transitioning into the most industrialized and modernized nation on earth, and largely eliminating global poverty, constitute a “nose diving quality of life for the majority”!?
They being idiots with a complete lack of media, historical, political and/or mathematical literacy!
CannonFodder@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Sure, but you’re picking China for its success in poverty reduction and ignoring it’s authoritarian and oppressive policies. The USSR collapsed financially, so it doesn’t make a good example of anything.
No system is perfect and I’m surely not saying capitalism is. They all require constant adjustment and governments that prioritize the well being of the people. This always fails because humans are assholes regardless of the governmental system.
SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 2 days ago
What is your metric for “authoritarian and oppressive”? I lean towards incarceration rate and judicial+extrajudicial deaths per capita. Now do the China(authoritarian communist) vs USA(freedomian capitalist) comparison.
That’s what we call cherry-picking. Post-USSR Russia has a significantly higher quality of life than pre-USSR even after the “financial collapse”. I strongly encourage your to read into Mikhail Gorbachev and how his move toward democratic socialism led to the “financial collapse” and the kleptocracy that began with Boris Yeltsin.
So why do you insist on rewarding the absolute WORST of ‘human nature’?!
CannonFodder@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I don’t. I want to reward innovation. And avoid some again. Human nature gets in the way in all systems.