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Comment on Why does China have so many multi billionaires if they are aiming to be a communist country?

First and foremost, there’s no such thing as a “communist country”. Communism is a very late stage of socialist development when all class contradictions have been abolished. We don’t know what that might look like, but the consensus is that we can’t really talk about a country being communist but rather an overall state of the world.

Secondly, China has a fairly good grip over its billionaire class. They don’t have the class power their class has in the US, Europe, or the rest of the western capitalist world. The capitalist class in China is subject to the wishes of the working class represented by the party with its over 100 million members.

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Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Cope

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- febra@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  In what way? There’s nothing to cope about
  
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  - Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    You know exactly what way.
    
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    Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    You’re losing and you know it
    
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raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

The capitalist class in China is subject to the wishes of the working class represented by the party with its over 100 million members.

LMAO. Do you actually believe that garbage yourself?

The simple truth is that China is the most efficient capitalist country in the world right now - they combine a totalitarian regime with a huge economy and an actual self-serving but smart understanding of capitalism. They are simply better at playing that game that the rest of the world.

What we don’t see from the outside is to what degree becoming rich enables you to take influence on the political system. What we do see is that the Chinese “communist” (muhaha) party has an iron grip on the country, but also that they are strongly intertwined with what you call “the capitalist class” (i.e. rich parasites).

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- febra@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  
  an actual self-serving but smart understanding of capitalism
  
  Welcome to marxism-leninism. Socialist state building is about achieving progress for the people. That can mean building up production forces and engaging in capitalism, as long as the capitalist class is subject to the peoples wishes.
  
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  - raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    as long as the capitalist class is subject to the peoples wishes.
    
    Yeah I think that’s the part where you missed the news flash about the Chinese state.
    
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- Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Wordy and condescending but does absolutely nothing to prove them wrong, great job!
  
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Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
100% they have a class based system it’s just not talked about.

They do have a bourgeoisie class and a peasent class.

They have doctors, lawyers, construction workers, government employees, billionaires and unprecedented wealth within families.

TThe the have the rice paddy farmers, the package sorters, the food delivery drivers, the minimum income workers living in cramped apartments and the unemployed.

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- SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  
  100% they have a class based system it’s just not talked about.
  
  It’s literally on their flag though. Those stars aren’t just decoration, they stand for the peasants, workers, petite bourgeois and national bourgeois, unified and led by the big star: the communist party, and its allies.
  
  China is a people’s republic, which historically would mean that those various class strata would be represented in government, by various parties and mass organizations. Not just a single communist party (see, East Germany, Socialist Poland, or the early DPRK). As China has developed its productive forces, however, a decision was made to allow the Bourgeoisie to be an element within the communist party itself, so they couldn’t form their own separate base of political power. While that brings contradictions, they’re far more manageable than they would be otherwise.
  
  They’re pretty open about all of this.
  
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- FlyingCircus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Yes, that’s why it’s not communist. But it is socialist, because the working class controls the government and holds the reins of the economy.
  
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  - Doomsider@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    The 200 million rural farmers control the country!
    
    No wait, the 400 million service workers control the country!
    
    No wait, it is the 500 million middle class that control the country!
    
    No wait, it is the 130,000 of the wealthy class that controls the country!
    
    No wait, it is the 320 billionaires that control the country!
    
    No wait, it is the 2,878 Congressional members that control the country!
    
    No wait, it is seven leaders who control the country!
    
    No wait, it is Xi who controls the country!
    
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    Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    wacky shit, aint it.
    
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  - boonhet@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Yes, exactly like the working class in the US controls the government and holds the reins of the economy.
    
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    FlyingCircus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Except not. Tell me more about how ignorant you are about political economy theory and how China actually functions.
    
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