Comment on When God Sings, We All Sing
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 5 hours agoTo be fair I’m religious, and I also hate it when people use “god” as a proper noun. It’s exclusionary. There are tons of gods, and the history of monotheist persecution of paganism means that you can’t have a god named god in good faith anymore. It’s like the swastika, it’s been ruined. Call your dog something else. Like Yahweh, or Elohim, or Quetzalcoatl, or Vishnu.
Barley_Man@sopuli.xyz 4 hours ago
Monotheism is their actual religious belief though. If one says “I believe there is only one god and we call him god” that’s their religious belief. If we are all to be tolerant of each other’s religious beliefs a simple statement of one’s belief shouldn’t be offensive. You should then be able to reply with your own beliefs and both can be like “cool” and move on.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 4 hours ago
Nah. Monotheists are assholes. Rome genocided nearly all the European religions in service of their monotheism. We don’t have any druids anymore, because of monotheism. Hellenism died out and had to be revived from scratch, with so many traditions lost forever, because of monotheism. We only have two sources on Norse mythology, because of monotheism. And then the monotheists started colonising the other continents!!
Abrahamism isn’t even originally monotheist. It used to be henotheist, which is when you worship one god, but believe in everyone else’s gods. The Bible is still henotheist. When Moses uses Elohim’s power to turn a staff into a snake, the Egyptian priests pray to the Egyptian gods and do the same thing! Any Christian who believes in only one god is a heretic who denies the Bible.
Before Rome, the norm was to worship your own culture’s gods, and to passively believe in other gods. Odin is real, he just lives all the way up north, so we don’t have anything to do with him. Hopefully the Tuatha De Danaan can protect us from those Vikings with their blessings from Odin! That’s the original polytheism. That’s what we lost. Before Rome, denying other cultures’ gods was a thing weird cults did for no reason. Like the Zoroastrians. Normal people didn’t pull that nonsense!
It’s the paradox of tolerance. You can’t be tolerant of intolerance, or the pricks will win and change the world. Which they did! But I’m fighting back by believing in every god, of every religion. And I don’t respect any monotheist.
Barley_Man@sopuli.xyz 3 hours ago
If you wanna take up thousand year old history I can as well.
The pagan Roman Empire brutally suppressed Christians for 250 years before they converted.
The pagan vikings regularly went to Christian Europe to rape and abduct women, pillage villages and burn down monastries.
The pagan mongols conquered and raped half the world leading to 30-60 million deaths, consequences include the collapse of the Islamic golden age that they haven’t been able to recover from even to this day.
The shinto-buddhist japanese crucified and killed most of their native japanese Christians in the 1600s.
That’s just some I remember on top of my head. However two wrongs don’t make one right. In today’s world we should tolerate each other no matter pagan, monotheist or atheist. That’s at least my belief. By the way. I suggest you look up the Christian concept of territorial spirits. I find it’s a good explanation to explain the parts of the Bible that seem to be henotheistic.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 hours ago
I agree that Rome sucks. In fact, I remember saying earlier that Rome sucked! One of the big reasons that Rome sucked is because they had this technique for colonisation, called syncretism.
Normally when you conquer a people, they retain their own culture and religion. And this sets them apart from you, so they’re more likely to rebel. But the Romans liked to pressure conquered peoples to convert over to Roman culture. If the oppressed native people identify as Romans, they won’t want to rebel against Rome. And they used syncretism to convert people of other pagan religions to Romanism.
Syncretism is the idea that different cultural myths are just interpretations of some deeper, shared truth. So this is like the idea that Ares and Mars are the same guy, just in two different languages. The Romans adopt all of the Ares lore into Mars and tell the Greeks that they can continue to worship Ares, and still be cultural and religious Romans. Now the Greeks don’t want to fight Rome, because they’re the same people.
But syncretism doesn’t work on heno/monotheists, like the Christians. So the Romans are saying “Can’t you just make your yearly tax offering to Jupiter? It would be really convenient for us if your kids saw you following the laws that say to worship our gods.” And the Christians are replying with “No, fuck you and the horse you rode in on. Jupiter is a fake god, probably secretly a demon, and Yahweh is gonna burn you in hell.” So everyone here sucks and is just awful to each other.
And when you put the might and manipulation of Rome together with the intolerance and self-righteousness of Christianity… you get a colonial force strong enough to destroy most of the religions of the world forever.
Those other guys you mentioned are shitheads too, but it wasn’t because of their religion, and they didn’t use their religion as a tool for evil (as far as I know). The Romans used religion for evil, and the monotheist Christians were evil because of their religion. Put those two forces together and you get the worst imperial culture in history.
VonReposti@feddit.dk 2 hours ago
Christians haven’t exactly been saints either. Let’s not forget the thirty year war, the European wars of religion, or the crusades just to name a few.