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Barley_Man@sopuli.xyz 6 hours agoHave you really become so hateful against religion that simply the mention of god in a joke triggers you? I understand that you have become absolutely sick of the American brand of evangelical Christianity but remember religious people are approximately 84% of the entire world population. You can’t lump them all together. The immigrants that evangelical christians want to stop are also majority religious. By hating religious people I think you are hating a larger share of the population than the religious people you hate for hating people.
Mac@mander.xyz 5 hours ago
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 5 hours ago
Do you also hate people who believe in Indigenous religions like the Rainbow Serpent or the Tuatha De Danaan?
Mac@mander.xyz 5 hours ago
Are they hateful bigots hellbent on ruining the lives of anyone they deem lesser-than, in the name of their god?
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 3 hours ago
No. I know lots of people who worship the Rainbow Serpent and none of them are like that. In fact, tolerance and open mindedness are important traditional values in My corner of Australia.
It seems like you don’t hate religion, you just hate Abrahamism. And you’ve bought into the cultural erasure of every religion that isn’t Abrahamic.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 6 hours ago
To be fair I’m religious, and I also hate it when people use “god” as a proper noun. It’s exclusionary. There are tons of gods, and the history of monotheist persecution of paganism means that you can’t have a god named god in good faith anymore. It’s like the swastika, it’s been ruined. Call your dog something else. Like Yahweh, or Elohim, or Quetzalcoatl, or Vishnu.
Barley_Man@sopuli.xyz 5 hours ago
Monotheism is their actual religious belief though. If one says “I believe there is only one god and we call him god” that’s their religious belief. If we are all to be tolerant of each other’s religious beliefs a simple statement of one’s belief shouldn’t be offensive. You should then be able to reply with your own beliefs and both can be like “cool” and move on.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 5 hours ago
Nah. Monotheists are assholes. Rome genocided nearly all the European religions in service of their monotheism. We don’t have any druids anymore, because of monotheism. Hellenism died out and had to be revived from scratch, with so many traditions lost forever, because of monotheism. We only have two sources on Norse mythology, because of monotheism. And then the monotheists started colonising the other continents!!
Abrahamism isn’t even originally monotheist. It used to be henotheist, which is when you worship one god, but believe in everyone else’s gods. The Bible is still henotheist. When Moses uses Elohim’s power to turn a staff into a snake, the Egyptian priests pray to the Egyptian gods and do the same thing! Any Christian who believes in only one god is a heretic who denies the Bible.
Before Rome, the norm was to worship your own culture’s gods, and to passively believe in other gods. Odin is real, he just lives all the way up north, so we don’t have anything to do with him. Hopefully the Tuatha De Danaan can protect us from those Vikings with their blessings from Odin! That’s the original polytheism. That’s what we lost. Before Rome, denying other cultures’ gods was a thing weird cults did for no reason. Like the Zoroastrians. Normal people didn’t pull that nonsense!
It’s the paradox of tolerance. You can’t be tolerant of intolerance, or the pricks will win and change the world. Which they did! But I’m fighting back by believing in every god, of every religion. And I don’t respect any monotheist.
Barley_Man@sopuli.xyz 4 hours ago
If you wanna take up thousand year old history I can as well.
The pagan Roman Empire brutally suppressed Christians for 250 years before they converted.
The pagan vikings regularly went to Christian Europe to rape and abduct women, pillage villages and burn down monastries.
The pagan mongols conquered and raped half the world leading to 30-60 million deaths, consequences include the collapse of the Islamic golden age that they haven’t been able to recover from even to this day.
The shinto-buddhist japanese crucified and killed most of their native japanese Christians in the 1600s.
That’s just some I remember on top of my head. However two wrongs don’t make one right. In today’s world we should tolerate each other no matter pagan, monotheist or atheist. That’s at least my belief. By the way. I suggest you look up the Christian concept of territorial spirits. I find it’s a good explanation to explain the parts of the Bible that seem to be henotheistic.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 30 minutes ago
People have trauma. They’re going to hate the thing that traumatized them.
I feel bad for the immigrants who were brainwashed into their colonizer’s religion. I don’t hold it against them. They’re also not super pushy about coming here and making me believe, so that helps.
Religion sucks. Religious people are people and people can be ok. But their choices suck.