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SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 weeks agoYou’re conflating human rights with a human need as if through sheer force of ideology you can make food magically poof into existence.
In the past, million of people starved because of this way of thinking.
Sorry, but producing food requires people to do work. When you try to make something that involves work into something purely about ideology, bad things happen.
dustyData@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There’s people working 60+ hours a week and also starving. Again, what is your point?
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Nobody is stopping you from donating to the food bank and volunteering your time at a soup kitchen. What’s your point?
dustyData@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Maybe, have you considered? that access to food is already decoupled from work because of ideological factors? Perhaps the idea that it is OK for people to go hungry if they’re not working is in itself an ideological posture. Just speed balling ideas here, maybe if people weren’t hungry, perhaps they will have the strength and will to work harder and more efficiently. I don’t know, it just came to me, I’m sure nobody has done any serious writing about it. We should go to the internet together and see if any of those scientists have ever done any study on that. Wild idea, maybe when people have their basic needs met they are more likely to be productive members of society. I’m sure that’s not revolutionary or anything and just common sense. Or not, I’m not a social scientist, I mean, I am, but maybe there’s something we are missing here.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
This guys wrote a lot that was along your lines of thinking: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko
Millions of people starved because of his writings.
What you’re missing is the fact that someone’s gotta plow the fields, plant the crops, harvest the crops, and someone has to get the food to you. If you think in terms of the food just magically appearing in the grocery store, you’re might start thinking “why can’t this just be free?” It’s not free because there’s a lot of work that happens before you you see food on the shelf at the grocery store.
There’s the whole field of economics that’s about this. You might reject this because you think economics is about money. It’s not. Economics is about work and resources. Being ignorant of the real work that’s involved in food production and thinking that through ideology you can factor it all out is disrespectful to workers.
The things you’re talking about have been tried before, the result was a lot of people starved. There ain’t no such thing as a free lunch. Someone somewhere always has to do work to make that lunch. They need to be compensated for their labour like everyone else.