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SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 weeks agoI don’t know, it just came to me, I’m sure nobody has done any serious writing about it.
This guys wrote a lot that was along your lines of thinking: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko
Millions of people starved because of his writings.
What you’re missing is the fact that someone’s gotta plow the fields, plant the crops, harvest the crops, and someone has to get the food to you. If you think in terms of the food just magically appearing in the grocery store, you’re might start thinking “why can’t this just be free?” It’s not free because there’s a lot of work that happens before you you see food on the shelf at the grocery store.
There’s the whole field of economics that’s about this. You might reject this because you think economics is about money. It’s not. Economics is about work and resources. Being ignorant of the real work that’s involved in food production and thinking that through ideology you can factor it all out is disrespectful to workers.
The things you’re talking about have been tried before, the result was a lot of people starved. There ain’t no such thing as a free lunch. Someone somewhere always has to do work to make that lunch. They need to be compensated for their labour like everyone else.
dustyData@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Very interesting. If only there were more recent scientific studies that weren’t the fever dreams of a psychotic pseudoscientific tankie from the soviet era.
Oh, would you look at this. There is science after the soviet union, after all.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I don’t trust studies about UBI since that shit is being pushed by corporations that want taxpayers (which obviously isn’t them) to pay their workforce instead of them having to pay for it. They somehow scammed leftists into thinking it’s a good idea for the working class to be paying the working class so the corporations can just become feudal lords that collect money and pay nothing.
It’s mostly just a smokescreen to distract from real policies like increasing minimum wage. And it works. So great keep talking about UBI while while minimum wage isn’t a living wage. Even if you get UBI, the corporations win, because they won’t need to pay their workforce, and they don’t pay any fucking taxes.
Yeah, no shit. Do you need a study to tell you the sky is blue?
Once again, I go back to “there’s no such thing as a free lunch.” The question isn’t about whether people people need food FFS. The question is, who should pay for it?
I think the company you work for should pay you enough money that you can afford to eat whatever the fuck you want. I don’t even know what you want, just some vague idea that food should just magically exist for free. This is why it’s so difficult to get people onboard with raising minimum wage, making corporations and the wealthy pay their fucking taxes, trust-busting corporations when they get to big so there’s competition. You know, policies that actually work?
But sure keep on not voting because you want some magical world where food is free, money just pops into your bank account somehow, and nobody has to work. Maybe just spray some Brawndo on the plants so you can have free food. It’s got what plants crave!
dustyData@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I want the same as you, except, I don’t think that people should suffer because they don’t conform to my concept of moral value. And thus I act with that intention. How about we work towards a kinder world to exist instead of wishing harm upon others just because they are different.
Also, stop fucking projecting your violence into me. You have like 6 different wrong assumptions about my character, values and arguments that I have never expressed anywhere. You really need to stop spreading your selfhate towards others.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
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So you’re regressing to weird hyperbolic statements to try to characterized me as immoral. I think that’s you wanting me to conform your “moral values”.
This isn’t a discussion about morals, it’s a discussion about how your ideology has some massive gaps because you think ideology is more important than know how things work. So you didn’t bother to learn how complex people’s jobs are, because work doesn’t matter to you.
Must’ve gone to a university that taught you how to be part of the management class to have this level of disrespect for people that actually work for a living. In a few years you’ll swap your leftist manifesto for a corporate policy manual because you really don’t want to have a job that involves actual work. You just want to repeat a narrative you’re told to repeat and get money for it. You’ll fit in well with corporate management someday.