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diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks agoOh come on, we could be debating here all day, that’s why there are multiple branches of Christianity in the first place.
Also, correct, not a single stroke of a letter “passed”. We were just looking at translations of these strokes of letters. Doesn’t mean all of them are still in effect.
Another way to think of it. There are two time conditions specified, “until heaven and earth pass away” and “until all is accomplished”. One could assume the first was just filler, and second refers to when Jesus finishes teaching everyone.
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s a good point. It’s weird that the divine word of God is so nebulous as to spawn 40,000 denominations that all think the others have it wrong.
The Bible is really easy to interpret when you just ignore the stuff you don’t like. Like the original verse condoning rape. But even if we accept that the old law doesn’t apply anymore, it did at one point, meaning God (and therefore Jesus) condoned rape. If you believe God is unchanging, you have to believe he still thinks rape is permissible as long as you marry the victim.
diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Matthew 18:18. New living translation to the rescue again:
Okay, if you interpret the first as something else (like until you don’t see heaven and earth so you died, or something else entirely), the other point still stands. I just claimed “another way to think of it”, meaning alternative.
Again, multiple ways to go here. I actually personally agree with both here.
Simple one, lots of lines from the book initially quoted follow the structure of “sin - punishment”, which implies marrying the victim was meant to be punishment which was then weaponized by the evil.
Now on the extent of God’s immutability: He can’t age, and is always omni[potent/present/scient] sure, but He made humans in his own image, and humans change all the time. Everything not specified otherwise is equal between humans and God. He is usually depicted having arms and legs since humans have those and it was not specified that He doesn’t. And I, as one of the creations in His image, would consider myself quite “changed” compared to last year or even 3 or so months ago. Don’t see how God couldn’t change his opinion on the matter, even despite the modern social construct for “person” often including opinions.
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I mean if you want to agree God can change his mind that entails that he can’t possibly be all-knowing. Changing your mind generally requires new information that you didn’t know before. But that’s irrelevant because numbers 23:19 and 1 Samuel 15:29 both say God can’t change his mind.
In the context of a group of camel herders assigning human characteristics to a deity to make it more understandable, it lines up perfectly. In the context of an almighty God handing down his Word to humans, it’s contradictory.
On a less serious note, if we’re made in his image, does he have a dick n balls? If so, what for?
diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Which book?
I require context
He won’t change His mind in that regard, yes. If interpreted differently, it would be contradicting itself pretty much immediately. Jonah 3:10:
The real answer is that we don’t know exactly. Forgot which branches, but He is often depicted as a father in various ways, including as Maria’s partner who gave birth to Jesus. Which implies that yes, He does have a dick n balls. Although no actual fucking is described, it’s just poof and pregnant.