To be fair, the frameworks allow you to accomplish stuff instead of just coding. The frameworks where inevitable. Doing anything at all that wouldn’t be spaghetti in pure JavaScript would have resulted in in-house frameworks anyway, otherwise every single project would have become completely unmanageable. Even with native custom web components, there just so much overhead in creating them and maintaining them. As well as performance impacts. So frameworks where always an inevitable evolution of the web, as it became, IMO.
But we need native stuff. Standardized better ways of dealing with components that are less clunky than they have been for years now.
Aaanyway 😅, yeah, these things come and go in waves. Minimal design, flashy shit, minimal, flashy. Hopefully they’ll realize it’s a shit interface to use in the long-run, assuming they even use their own service. (Bet you the employees don’t even get their service for free.)
joeljoelle@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 days ago
Meh, what they did was just eventually phase out front end designers, now you just have these all in one guys doing everything and you can tell because it all looks like SHIT
victorz@lemmy.world 5 days ago
I… would have to disagree with this. 😅 If you’ve ever tried to make a whole ass app with only vanilla custom web components, you wouldn’t say all they did was have to do with design. They bring a lot of DX above the vanilla web platform.
Some frameworks bring more work 😆 But most of them do a lot of grunt work with the components themselves, which helps a lot.
But they might have had an unintended side effect of what you describe, as well. 👍
joeljoelle@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 days ago
I’ve been working with the web since the mid 90s I think I know what I’m talking about, but everyone has their own experience and perception. I love when people try to correct people when they have no idea who they are talking to, like you automatically know better? I think we’re talking about different things anyways, you are talking about programming and I am talking about the loss of all artistic merit from web design
victorz@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Whoa, holy hell, bro? Why did you get so hostile? Defensive as fuck.
I said it was not only what you said, but more than what you said. I included your shit after my own take and perspective. 🤷♂️
Don’t bring your insecurities into the mix and call it my fault, dude.
Yes, we were talking about separate aspects of the same thing, exactly. And I seem to know more about one side and you more about another one. Exactly what was going on, and then you snapped for no reason. 😂
Thanks for the back and forth but you lost me on this one. Bye. 🙋♂️