Comment on Gotta make sure your watching its back
dillekant@slrpnk.net 5 days agoIt’s interesting there’s a sharp line between what women and men believe here. Sadly, not knowing the details makes the propaganda more likely to work. Heard and her lawyer were stupid, but that doesn’t change what likely actually happened:
- The dog shit the bed, because of course it did it had a problem with bowel control. The fact that Depp’s team have managed to convince people of this ridiculous idea shows just how effective propaganda can be.
- Heard was raped and abused
- You would have to believe that Heard lied to her own therapist for months to manufacture this. Occam’s razor, no, it happened.
The reason people don’t like Heard is:
- She seems shifty
That’s it.
Here’s a video talking about it. To anyone still on Depp’s side: Maybe don’t support abusers? Maybe don’t support their narratives if you think everyone’s a scumbag? Where are the Depp memes?
Alkali@lemmy.ml 4 days ago
I thought the reason people side with Depp is because there are recordings of Heard mocking him for reporting abuse and admitting to hitting him, that he initiated the split, and that she gave an op-ed that suggested he was the sole abuser.
Typically there is a primary abuser and often a retaliatory abuser. What is in question is which is which. The concern is that people who side with Depp often do so because of their own beliefs in women being toxic. However, people who side with Heard do essentially the same. I don’t believe a clear picture of Depp being primarily abuser has been established, but would be interested if you had that information.
dillekant@slrpnk.net 3 days ago
Basically all of this analysis relies on ignoring a bunch of evidence and reading into what Heard’s said. There is a shockingly long explanation of this point by point, something which is necessary only because of the time it takes to detangle “Heard sounds shifty”. Remove the suppositions, and it really just sounds like Heard is trying to save her relationship.
Secondly, primary or retaliatory, there’s a clear imbalance of power. This is a big part of what “me too” was about. It seems as soon as you’re of legal age, all manner of coercive power become meaningless to the public. “Me too” was about “well, no, I wasn’t necessarily raped as such, but there was a clear power imbalance that pushed me into decisions I wasn’t comfortable with”. It also discussed the idea of “the perfect victim”, where women essentially get the blame in a two-sides issue. IIUC Heard was barely upper middle class, and Depp has an enormous pool of wealth. There’s a clear power imbalance here.
Thirdly, and this goes back to the “I’m not on either side” part, the less you know the more susceptible you are to the organised campaign against Heard. That’s why people do these memes. That’s why I ended with: well if it’s both sides are bad, then why is Depp somehow beloved and forgiven and Heard is still mocked several years later?