Comment on Philosophy has peaked. Checkmate atheists
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 5 weeks ago
I agree, but I’ll also say it’s immoral if you have a conflict of interest. Such as if you paid a friend to run it over.
I view fucking an animal and voring an animal the same way: If it was going to die anyway, it’s okay. If you’re paying for it to die needlessly, you’re evil.
Vespair@lemmy.zip 5 weeks ago
That’s still you committing a roadkill, just second hand.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 5 weeks ago
Sure, but the bloodmouths get all huffy when I call them animal murderers, and say “Well I only paid a supermarket to pay a butcher to pay a slaughterhouse to kill them, so it doesn’t count”.
Vespair@lemmy.zip 5 weeks ago
Meat consumption definitely requires death and meat consumers are absolutely the reason for said death.
Granted it isn’t murder, because that has additional meaning that requires personhood, but it is absolutely still death, no question.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 5 weeks ago
Yeah. Personally, I don’t believe in personhood, it seems poorly defined. Actually, there’s this game I really like the way it tackles personhood. You play as a robot, and you get to debate philosophy with a computer. The computer probes you on your beliefs, and at one point tries to ad absurdum you into agreeing that frogs are people. I forget exactly what the arguments are, especially since you can choose a few different things to argue. But it’s really neat, because you’re a robot debating what it means to be a person; who we as a society should extend personhood to. Personally, I said that frogs are people in My first playthrough. And in the sequel, there’s this throwaway joke about how the “are frogs people” debate topic has been banned from the online forums. And I think that’s great! Evidently, the NPCs really got into the weeds on that one!
So yeah, I think personhood is an iffy construct and I don’t personally identify with it. I’m no person. I reject the very system that would grant Me special status for conforming to its notions of political life. So I don’t think murder has much to do with personhood.