Also need people to agree on what they want to get out of a strike, and be okay with losing income for the duration of it.
Comment on Why is so difficult to organize a strike
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Have you ever tried to get a large group to unanimously agree to ANYTHING?
Throw in the chance that they may all lose their jobs and it gets exponentially more difficult.
False@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Very true. Most places I worked, people were afraid to take a day off for doctors appointments, voting, or other obligations because that’s money they wouldn’t have. Just imagine getting them to agree to no pay for as long as it takes!
Rigal@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
yeah, I am a dungeon master, but for atrikes and applying games theory, it’s only logical to stick together and go on strike.
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
The problem with game theory is that it assumes everyone involved is perfectly rational.
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
On the contrary, game theory doesn’t assume rationality or irrationality whatsoever. Game theory looks at all possible outcomes and investigates different strategies that lead to those outcomes.
Rational strategies can lead to defection in games like the non-iterated prisoner’s dilemma, and this is a Nash equilibrium. However, the infinite iterated prisoner’s dilemma allows cooperation to emerge even with rational strategies.
The superrational strategy leads to cooperation even in a one-shot gang of prisoner’s dilemma
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
What? Players acting rationally is one of the core assumptions of game theory. Sure there are some models that attempt to amount for irrationality, but the conclusions are obviously much less definitive.
It can’t really be any other way, perfectly rational actors are predictable in a mathematical way. Irrational actors are irrational in many different ways. One irrational actor might betray a fellow prisoner purely out of spite, another might refuse to speak purely out of a sense of loyalty. Another might make a decision compulsively without any strategy at all.
Irrational players cannot be analyzed mathematically. You cannot find a dominant strategy playing against irrational players, at least not a non-trivial one. Sure you can try to analyze them, but then you’ve left math behind and have wandered into psychology or sociology.
Signtist@bookwyr.me 2 weeks ago
I honestly know nothing about game theory, so I don’t doubt that there are aspects that account for irrational behavior like meaningless self sabotage, but I don’t recall the prisoner’s dilemma having allowing one of the prisoners to specifically choose to be imprisoned for the maximum sentence in exchange for the other prisoner to also be imprisoned that same amount. Is there a version that has that option, or something similar? Every version I’ve seen assumes they would never do something so completely against their own self-interest.
One of the most common reasons for people not coming together I’ve seen is the classic “Sure, this makes it harder for everyone, but we can weather it so long as we know it’s harder for those damn (insert innocent group here)!” which of course only makes things unnecessarily harder for both groups, and only benefits their shared enemies. If that’s not something that game theory would cover, then I don’t know how well it would be able to be applied to our inability to organize effective resistance to an oppressive government.
If it is something that’s covered, I’d love an example! I could use a bit of hope that we’ll rise up eventually.
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So, you definitely know that no matter how well you spell it all out for them, someone’s going to go murder hobo and fuck it all up.