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• wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  A false statement? That I had never seen or heard of the symbol before reading about it in the context of Platner, and that I find it very believable that he didn’t know what it was when he got it?

  When precisely did you correct that? I’m not sure how you even would.

  You showed an example of a media clip that I’ve never seen, that likely hadn’t even come out yet when Platner got his tattoo. How does that change anything about what I said?

  Clearly you’re ignoring the context of the conversation in favor of a cheap gotcha, and it’s not working.

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  • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You even said that you’d heard the “are we the baddies” quote before, which is frequently accompanied by the screenshot. You also said:

    I told them to show me a single screenshot of this symbol appearing in any media that depicts nazis or WWII and they couldn’t provide one, they just kept deflecting and calling me a dumbass.

    This is very obviously bullshit. When and where did this supposedly happen? Can you link to it? It’s incredibly hard to believe that nobody on here would have been able to link to the clip I did. Not to mention that any media depicting the SS is going to have it.

    Clearly you’re ignoring the context of the conversation

    Where in the context was it discussed whether Platner knew what it was when he got it? That’s something you added as part of moving the goalposts.

    I see this a lot from you lot. It starts off with, “Nobody would know that symbol” and then when pressed you retreat into “He probably didn’t know what it was when he got it.” Nobody in this conversation said shit about whether he knew what it was when he got it, until you pulled it out of your ass and assigned that position to me, insisting based on nothing that that was the “context.”

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    • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah, I have heard the quote before. If you’re assuming that means I’ve seen the screenshot, then that just goes to show how prominent the totenkopf is in it, if I didn’t even notice it or recognize it later.

      And I spoke truly when I said they couldn’t provide one. Just because you provide one now doesn’t change that. And no, I’m not gonna go digging for an old conversation just to show you.

      Where in the context was it discussed whether Platner knew what it was when he got it? That’s something you added as part of moving the goalposts.

      That’s just fucking disingenuous for you to say, this whole post is about how he supposedly has so many red flags, and if you can’t glean the subtext that there have been multiple conversations about this then I don’t know what to tell you other than he’s been heavily astroturfed and smeared by establishment politicians who are terrified of losing ground to progressives and the DSA.

      It starts off with, “Nobody would know that symbol” and then when pressed you retreat into “He probably didn’t know what it was when he got it.”

      That’s not a retreat, that’s spelling it out for you in block letters because you can’t seem to glean that from the subtext. It’s like you want to approach this thread in a vacuum and pretend it’s the first time anyone has ever discussed it.

      Nobody in this conversation said shit about whether he knew what it was when he got it, until you pulled it out of your ass and assigned that position to me, insisting based on nothing that that was the “context.”

      Yeah, I mean if he didn’t know what it was when he got it, then what’s your point? People try to use it as justification to call him a nazi. That assumes intent, implying that he knew what he was getting. I’m saying I don’t find that to be very cogent. And if you can’t glean that from the context, then you’re either half-blind or being willfully obtuse.

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      • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        That’s just fucking disingenuous for you to say, this whole post is about how he supposedly has so many red flags

        Having a Nazi tattoo is a red flag, in itself, regardless of whether I can prove that he knew it was a Nazi tattoo when he got it. Obviously, the bigger red flag was that he was a Blackwater mercenary, a killer-for-hire who bragged about firing a mortar at civilian targets.

        then I don’t know what to tell you other than he’s been heavily astroturfed and smeared by establishment politicians who are terrified of losing ground to progressives and the DSA.

        Sure, but that doesn’t mean that there isn’t plenty of legitimate criticism as well.

        That’s not a retreat, that’s spelling it out for you in block letters because you can’t seem to glean that from the subtext.

        Oh, fascinating, so now it’s “subtext.”

        Alright, well the “subtext” that I’ve been picking up from you is that Graham Platner is a divine being who we should all build temples to and worship. So, I’m going to need you to prove Platner’s divinity, or else you’re clearly full of shit.

        What a ridiculous tactic. You can’t just strawman me based on nothing and then claim that it’s “subtext.”

        Yeah, I mean if he didn’t know what it was when he got it, then what’s your point?

        My point is simply that it is, factually, a Nazi tattoo.

        People try to use it as justification to call him a nazi. That assumes intent, implying that he knew what he was getting.

        Who said that, in this thread? Or is this more of that fascinating “subtext?”

        And if you can’t glean that from the context, then you’re either half-blind or being willfully obtuse.

        And if someone can’t glean that you’re asking for temples to be erected to worship Platner as a god, you’re either half-blind or willfully obtuse. See, I can say bullshit too.

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