Comment on Pint of wine anyone? UK looks to bring back ‘silly measure’

prime_number_314159@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• hellothere@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Surely as long as it’s labeled clearly

  And therein lies the issue, how clear is clear?

  For example, if someone managed to get hold of bottles with slightly thicker glass, you could sell a bottle of wine with slightly less wine in than is obvious from the outside, increasing the price per mililitre by a few percent. Not much individually, but it all adds up over the year.

  If you’re buying that wine, and looking at a shelf of near identical looking shapes and sizes of bottle, you’re already factoring in grape, flavour, price per 750ml, provinence, alcohol content, etc, so what benefit do you get from one bottle being 750ml, and another being 736ml?

  Standardisation simplifies manufacturing (of bottles) as well as purchasing of the end product by consumers. There is no benefit to an overly wide selection of sizes.

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  • somethingsnappy@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There are plenty of variable thickness bottles for other kinds of alcohol. It still has to hold 750ml of liquid if that is the volume of the spirit. It would be easier to water things than pass off an incorrect volume.

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    • hellothere@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah, exactly, so volume stays the same and designs can vary. That makes it easier for people to compare because it’s 750ml vs 750ml, instead of both design and volume changing by small amounts.

      You can’t tell the internal volume of something based on its external dimensions, other than maximum potential size.

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  • RecallMadness@lemmy.nz ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Why don’t we apply these rules to all things? Why just milk and booze?

    Weights and measures act, appendix 4.2.0 part 3, section 2: chicken nuggies.

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    • hellothere@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Because liquids are harder to judge just from looking, compared to solids, and the UK has a history - pre weights and measures act - of fuckery.

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      • HumanPenguin@feddit.uk ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        And while the weight and measures act was created to stop “fuckry”

        Bottle size and glass size was only applied to alchole not pther liquids.

        That was a war thing. Allong with closing times for pubs. Created to limit lunchtime drinking for amunition workers. Standadised glass and bottle size allowed those workers to judge their intake.

        Many werr less good with number then today. So a lot of our pre war measurement were based on things people deltwith as a rough estimat. (Acre was the amount a hourse cpuld plough without needing a break.) Stuff loke that.

        Also thier already existed a tradition if not law for glass sizes. As land ownees felt controlling poor folks use of alcahole how to help the poor. So pubs often only got the right to open on thoer land based on these 1800 ideals.

        All sorts of our history went into the choices at the time. The legal act was just one part.

        But most were clearly defined for a te where we did not have to deal with multiple nations using different bersions of the pint etc. As was true in mosr of europe at the time.

        Metric was a bloody good idea. And is freaking stupid to reverse now.

        I really dont thinl the tories calling for this crap are intouch enough even with theor desired vote.

        Im 53. So grew up using both units. But even folks my fathers age do not temd to support thos now. It was there pre war parents that wanted it. And their really are not many of them left voting.

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    • lemonflavoured@kbin.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It might have changed, but at one point you could only sell pre-sliced bread in 400g or multiples of that.

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  • anothermember@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    And therein lies the issue, how clear is clear?

    For example, if someone managed to get hold of bottles with slightly thicker glass, you could sell a bottle of wine with slightly less wine in than is obvious from the outside, increasing the price per mililitre by a few percent. Not much individually, but it all adds up over the year.

    If you’re buying that wine, and looking at a shelf of near identical looking shapes and sizes of bottle, you’re already factoring in grape, flavour, price per 750ml, provinence, alcohol content, etc, so what benefit do you get from one bottle being 750ml, and another being 736ml?

    Standardisation simplifies manufacturing (of bottles) as well as purchasing of the end product by consumers. There is no benefit to an overly wide selection of sizes.

    That sounds like a case for restricting the thickness of glass bottles rather than restricting the volume of liquid. How would switching to pints make any difference with that? As long as they’re labelled correctly I don’t see much problem.

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  • EinfachUnersetzlich@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The shelf-edge labels are already required to give the price per 100ml or per litre.

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