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Signtist@bookwyr.me 1 day agoI don’t know what the right choice is, but it’s pretty easy to see what the wrong choice is. If you hate other people simply for something they can’t change, it’s the wrong choice. The manosphere hates women, full stop. That’s unacceptable. The catholic church hates gay people, full stop. That’s also unacceptable. The current pope is making some changes that might redeem it, but for now it’s objectively a bad choice.
What’s the right choice for a group to join? Is there even a right choice? Who knows, but if your group tries to tell you to hate someone for something other than a choice they decided to make, it’s a sign you should leave that group. The only thing you can judge people on are the actions and decisions they specifically made.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
sorry, where is this group that hates nobody?
part of the definition of a social group is about who it includes and who it exudes, and who it blames for societies faults and issues. and they all think their group isn’t hateful.
Signtist@bookwyr.me 1 hour ago
…really, bud? The argument you’re going to make is that all groups hate people?
I’m in a baking group with some local people in my neighborhood. We make cookies and cakes to share with one another, and sometimes make things for people in the area who don’t have the time or money to afford a birthday cake or something. Yes, there are people who are included and excluded from our group - namely anyone who wants to join can join, and anyone who doesn’t, doesn’t have to. Sounds real hateful to you, I’m sure. I’m also in a D&D group - we exclude people who we don’t think are a good fit with our group cohesion, but we always do so with respect, leaving things on good terms. Who exactly do we hate?
Now, I am also a part of hateful groups. For example, I hate Nazis because they chose to be hateful scumbags. I also hate billionaires because they chose to hoard wealth at the expense of everyone else’s wellbeing. I would never hate someone for something they can’t control, like their gender or race, though. As I said, the only thing you can judge people on are the actions and decisions they specifically made.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Right, so if you are hate people, it’s justified, but if someone else does it, it’s not. Gotcha. And otherwise you’re morally perfect or something and totally inclusive, except when the people you don’t like join you group, then they must be excluded, but it’s not hateful! it’s just so nice to ask people to leave if they don’t fit your ‘vibe’.
Oh what about pedophiles? do you not hate them?
Signtist@bookwyr.me 39 minutes ago
Haha, I knew you’d latch onto that. No, I don’t exclude people who I “don’t like,” I tell people who are looking for an experience different from how our group plays the game that they will likely have more fun elsewhere. If they want to give it a shot anyway, they can. But yeah, if they’re expecting a D&D game where it’s all combat all the time, they’ll be pretty bored with our political intrigue game. If they try to force it to be something it’s not, we’ll ask them to leave because of that choices they made, so that the game can continue.
You want to call it hate? That’s fine - it is a form of judgement in the end, after all. But still, it’s based on the choices they decided to make, not something they can’t control. The most important thing about being in a group is being responsive to the wants of the members of the group. It’s called having a normal conversation with someone you’re hanging out with, with all the respect that comes with it. I obviously hate pedophiles if they choose to act upon their urges and ruin the life of a child. If they don’t, then I wouldn’t know about it, so I’d have no ability to judge them one way or another.