Except these people are turning around and burningdown the libraries once theyâve read all the books.
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AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠agothey stole all there data
Obviously fuck the capitalists and AI scammers. But reading and learning from a library, then writing and selling your own book based on that is NOT stealing. Itâs the wrong argument.
The answer obviously is to keep the actual source material and libraries and book archives open and just run open source AI models at home. You can run smaller versions on a solar powered PC no problem.
The issue with trying to make âAI is just stolenâ happen is that it will make open source AI models illegal. AI companies would love that because they can afford to license and pay or work around or obscure or whatever. The âintellectual propertyâ argument is always a disgusting capitalist one. Knowledge is either free or nothing is.
CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Well yeah, they suck. Iâm a fan of annaâs archive.
But this doesnât change the fact that AI models will continue to improve, and the tactical question is if we give them munition to monopolize it using âintellectual propertyâ rights. I want open source/weights models to use locally without paying some license to meta or reddit or some publisher cartel.
brendansimms@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Large amounts of data were pirated, which is apparently legal if youâre training an AI. Source: Meta lawsuit
UpperBroccoli@feddit.org â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
But reading and learning from a library, then writing and selling your own book based on that is NOT stealing.
It could be argued that these AIs are not actually learning but collecting and rearranging. Thatâs still stealing in my book, especially if it happens on a massive industrial scale and by a megacorp instead of a person.
AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
That is incorrect though, it follows the fallacy that itâs just like a big database where all that (much larger) data is being copied and compressed into. Itâs called machine learning and denying the reality of how it works is just not useful.
Imagine you study as an engineer in whatever field, but now laws have been passed that you only licensed the knowledge from university and publishers. If you work you have to demonstrate who you learned it from and then pay royalty fees. Obviously that would be insane for humans, but I do forsee that they will try to do this for machine learning. Because of the argument you made.
So any open source / weight model you find and could run locally (like e.g. deepseek) will now be illegal because you canât prove where âdey tuerg dur dartaeâ from.
Thus all potential future gains from AI will be monopolized, while the costs socialized.
Folstar@lemmus.org â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
But reading and learning from a library, then writing and selling your own book based on that is NOT stealing. Itâs the wrong argument.
A powerful argument if one cannot tell the difference between a person and a product.
Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Library implies consent that was not there and access to the public that was not there.
AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Every book ever published, every article anybody ever wrote, every comment anyone ever posted on a public internet is âconsentâ to read and learn from it.
Iâm pro piracy as you can tell. The idea that something can be out there publicly on the internet but itâs ânot consentâ to read is the intellectual property one. Look at how they try to gatekeep publicly owned scientific papers. Big AI is clearly hypocritical doing this, but corporations are just soulless, amoral programs executed by sentient humans.
But the RESULT of all that (e.g. deepseek) should belong to all people. And THAT is why these IP arguments by fuckAI are dangerous, because it is only a threat to open models. The answer is open source (or weight) AI models and with advances in computing to run them locally.
Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz â¨1⊠â¨week⊠ago
Every gps ping your phone sells to ad companies?
AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml â¨1⊠â¨week⊠ago
Public information vs private information