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It is widely acknowledged that many modern AI chat bots can indeed pass the Turing test as well as an actual human, maybe even better.

So the new problem is that something is wrong with the Turing test, and we need to come up with something better.
Because nobody sensible recognize current state of AI to be anywhere near strong AI.
Or maybe we are performing the Turing test wrong? It can probably not be called a proper Turing test, unless it’s someone particularly skilled in it that performs it. Someone able to detect the answers without actual human experience behind them.

We know AI can have very basic problems, like not being able to count the number of “r” in strawberry correctly, and act very confused about it when it’s explained that there are 3, and asked to spell the word out and count them.

If the AI had consciousness and comparable intelligence to a normal human, such banal things should not confuse the AI.

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BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
“something is wrong with the Turing test”

Nope, there’s nothing wrong with the test. It wasn’t designed to test if it was “strong AI” or anything like that, it was designed to answer the question “Can machines think?” and at this point, the clear answer is yes they can.

Are they perfect? No. Can you trip them up? Yes.

Are both of those previous answers also true for humans? Yes.

There’s plenty of humans that would struggle with counting the number of “r” in Strawberry, and most models are well past that level of failure. The current ones even recommend you drive to the car wash even if it’s only 50 feet down the road.

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- schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  “Can machines think?" and at this point, the clear answer is yes they can.
  
  To paraphrase Jordan Peterson, “define think.”
  
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  - BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    To sum up Alan Turing something can think if it can fool humans in the imitation game.
    
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    schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I don’t find that a particulary satisfying definition, and doubt an up-to-date Alan Turing would either.
    
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- Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  Nope, there’s nothing wrong with the test. It wasn’t designed to test if it was “strong AI”
  
  That was EXACTLY what it was designed for, the argument being that if it is indistinguishably from a human, it has human like consciousness. That’s way beyond thinking.
  Computers are “thinking” routinely. Chess programs that have existed since the 80’s are already proof of that.
  
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  - Poik@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Cleaner Wrasse are conscious according to the mirror test. No one would call those fish intelligent. They are smart enough, but they are only self-conscious enough to recognize themselves in a reflection to help remove parasites.
    
    Nothing in the Turing Test proves intelligence. Sounding human is so easy, a chat bot that pretends to be a scared little boy was the first to complete it, way back in 2014. Assuming that fooling a human is hard it’s even less convincing.
    
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    Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    Nothing in the Turing Test proves intelligence.
    
    This is simply wrong, only Religious nutcases believe so.
    
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Wataba@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
So, the Turing test is the AI equivalent of the Bechdel test?

Its an insanely low bar to clear, and many either treat it like a trophy, or still cant even manage that much?

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dnick@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I may be an ai. I read that as ‘not being able to count to the number r in strawberry’ and I immediately wondered how you would do that.

Then I realized that might be the perfect thing to start training it on by coming up with things like that in posts, as though that were a perfectly human thing to know how to do.

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- BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  The latest popular trick that they couldn’t figure out was telling it that you wanted your car washed, and asking if you should drive or walk to the car wash that was just down the street. The top end models can figure it out now, but the last set really thought it was a great idea to walk when the distance was so short.
  
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XiELEd@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Most AI do not have senses, right? If it can only predict rather than hold concrete examples as abstract ones and manipulate them in its head then I don’t think it’s thinking in the way a biological species does.

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