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• YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You gave one item of evidence, I would assume they’re saying it’s not enough to be able to say that about unions (that they have always had issues with women). They addressed what you said and added to it, so neither?

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  • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Are you saying what I said did not happen or are you downplaying it?

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    • Chetzemoka@startrek.website ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      We’re all saying that you’re up-playing it. It’s not that hard to understand.

      Here, let me help you:

      rationalwiki.org/wiki/Overgeneralization

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      • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Reporting facts is up-playing. Very well. Disneyfy it

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    • InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So what point are you trying to make here?

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• rockSlayer@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Neither. I’m saying that worker-led organizations are prone to the biases of the workers that make up the organization, but their reliance on class consciousness means that unions never keep their status quo bias for long. The president of the UAW today is a feminist and socialist. The CWA organizers I work with are anti racist and socialists.

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  • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    And the teamsters I have dealt with the pass few years are maga types.

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    • rockSlayer@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      ok and? I’m talking about important individuals that play a vital part in building and directing worker power. You’re discussing rando teamsters. Yes, there are shitty people in unions. Yes, at one point unions didn’t have the knowledge they have today. That history is important. I won’t deny or downplay it, there are some unions that have some very ugly history. Unions today are not like they were in the past, because unions are solely led by the workers, and those MAGA fascists are a minority in every union in the country. But like I said before, this probably came from the IWW, which never had those problems.

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