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PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union.

— Abraham Lincoln

Lincoln fought slavery to protect another evil: settler colonialism, i.e. the Union.

Every President of AmeriKKKa voluntarily helmed a white supremacist settler-colonial entity. There’s no good Presidents, and there never will be.

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Steve@communick.news ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
That’s called shifting the goalpost.

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- PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  
  That’s called Shifting the Goalpost.
  
  internet-delenda-est yeah obviously I was a bit sloppy in my initial response. Wow. Absolutely shocking. This isn’t fucking debate club.
  
  Shown that reason doesn’t apply.
  
  Actually you haven’t. Under Lincoln’s presidency, the Union went on to nominally outlaw slavery — except in cas es of crime. The 13th Amendment has been used to keep penal slavery illegal. Lincoln himself did not personally own slaves, but he was absolutely complicit as a President in maintaining the institution of slavery.
  
  I’m sure that’s also not the reason you don’t like it.
  
  The reason I don’t like the monuments is because I am an outspoken anarchist and AmeriKKKa is a shining beacon on a hill for everything I despise about the world.
  
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  - m0darn@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    Lincoln himself did not personally own slaves, but he was absolutely complicit as a President in maintaining the institution of slavery.
    
    This is maybe the most absolutely deranged thing I have ever read.
    
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    PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Yeah it’s pretty deranged that he chose to do that, and it’s pretty deranged that you pretend like AmeriKKKa hasn’t always been a slave nation.
    
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  - Steve@communick.news ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    
    I think that slavers don’t deserve monuments […]
    Lincoln himself did not personally own slaves, but [yada, yada, yada]
    
    You’re just making a different shift here.
    Shifting the definition of slaver, from one commonly understood usage, to your own personal version.
    
    But that doesn’t even matter, as you admit that’s not the reason you don’t like it.
    The reason you don’t like it, isn’t any rational practical reason. It’s an ideological dogmatism. A decree. Because you don’t like it, other’s shouldn’t be allowed to. Which is kind of funny coming from “an outspoken anarchist”.
    
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    PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    
    Shifting the definition of slaver, from one commonly understood usage, to your own personal version.
    
    I literally cited the dictionary definition. A slaver is any person involved in the slave trade.
    
    The reason you don’t like it, isn’t any rational practical reason.
    
    You literally don’t have to have a practical reason to like or not like stuff. Like I could’ve been like “I don’t like the monuments because they look like doo doo” and that is a legitimate aesthetic preference.
    
    Because you don’t like it, other’s shouldn’t be allowed to.
    
    When did I say that others should be banned from liking it? I just want people to understand what the thing they’re liking actually represents, which is the vile AmeriKKKan settler-colonial project.
    
    Which is kind of funny coming from “an outspoken anarchist”.
    
    Yes because anarchism is when you have literally no opinions on anything ever and you let literally everything happen with absolutely no pushback whatsoever 🙄.
    
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