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• MudMan@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yeah, and somehow they managed to invent like 90% of all "evil" MTX and DRM in the process, take a bigger cut than competitors and actively reject having a returns policy until pushed by regulators and competitors, all the while being super not evil.

  It's a fine line to walk, that.

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  • ono@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    somehow they managed to invent like 90% of all “evil” MTX and DRM in the process

    Having worked with DRM systems since long before Valve existed, I’m reasonably certain this is just plain false.

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    • Transtronaut@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah, and I don’t remember Half-life being the game that introduced the world to horse armor.

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      • Radicaldog@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The used is being hyperbolic, but is referring to their substantial role in popularising loot boxes, as well as the marketplace that has spawned a real gambling industry around it. Kids gamble on 3rd party sites and Valve does very little to interfere.

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    • Chailles@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Not to mention that Steamworks DRM is practically non-existent anyways.

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    • MudMan@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Blending the storefront with a DRM solution? No, that was them.

      That's their entire call to fame. They first turned their auto-patcher into a DRM service, then they enforced authorization of physical copies through it and eventually it became the storefront bundled with the other two pieces. If somebody did it before them I hadn't heard of it, but I'll happily take proof that I was wrong.

      None of the pieces were new, SecuROM and others had been around for years, a few publishers had download and patch managers and I don't remember who did physical auth first, but somebody must have. But bundling the three? That was Steam.

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  • Alto@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I said not outright evil, not good.

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    • MudMan@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Hah. Fair enough.

      I mean, I'd say that's probably true of most companies making videogames. People are really hyperbolic about this stuff.

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  • ElectroLisa@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Their DRM is easily bypassable with SteamEmu, as opposed to other inventions like Denuvo

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    • MudMan@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ah, so if it's crackable it's fine?

      Somebody tell Denuvo, they're off the hook.

      Seriously, why try so hard to go to bat for a brand name? I get that everybody wants to root for something these days, but I'm too old to pick sides between Sega and Nintendo and I'm mature enough to reconcile that Steam can have the best feature set in a launcher and also be a major player in the process of erasing game ownership and the promotion of GaaS.

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      • Alto@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Since I can almost guarantee you major publishers would not publish on steam without some sort of DRM, yeah Im fine with them having an easily crackable form of DRM. Especially since they're not exactly jumping to prevent people from doing it.

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  • Zorque@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They invented Denuvo?

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    • toroknos_07@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Drm = digital rights protection

      Denovo is a form of drm made by iredto

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      • SomethingBurger@jlai.lu ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Technically, Denuvo isn’t DRM, it’s anti-tamper. It protects the actual DRM from being modified or removed. It’s closer to an anticheat, as it ensures the game wasn’t modified.

        Fun fact: my autocorrect changes anticheat to Antichrist.

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      • Zorque@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        ... right. And it's also considered one of the premier "evil" DRMs.

        So I ask again... they invented Denuvo?

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