Comment on The Projected Truth

• Grail@multiverse.soulism.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Well I don’t believe matter or spacetime objectively exist, so I don’t think gravity objectively exists either. To borrow from Donald Hoffman’s language, I take gravity seriously but not literally. I know that gravity represents something which is important to our species’ survival, which is why we all perceive it. But I do not think it is as simple as we perceive it to be with our eyes. I do not think it is even as simple as Einstein described it. I think the truth is much, much more complicated.

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  • i_love_FFT@jlai.lu ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s at least admitting that something exists, but it’s more complicated than what we currently understand of it!

    My current standing is with “poetic naturalism”, in which we acknowledge that something exists and that we build, based on our subjective experience, models of knowledge. And that we must use epistemic tools (ex: the scientific method) to overcome our subjectivity.

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    • Grail@multiverse.soulism.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Overcome subjectivity? No, no, no! The desire for objectivity makes us weak and easy to control. The rich use their control of the media to exploit that desire for their own gain. They’ve created a subjective reality, pretending to be objective, which upholds the evils of capitalism. You mustn’t try to overcome subjectivity.

      Subjectivity is *freedom. If everything is subjective, and we understand the rules of that subjectivity, then we have the power to reinterpret our condition according to our own sense of justice. We can make ourselves a new subjective *unreality, based on fairness and justice. We can create a multiverse of unrealities, and travel between them as easily as believing.

      Take gender, for example. Traditional western culture tells us (as children) that gender is objective, and the answers are to be found in the biology of the cell. Written into our genes is the objective truth of gender, if only we have the curiosity to find it. This desire for objectivity is poison. Those who have clung to it into adulthood have become bitter and hateful, and have sought to take away our right to medicine.

      But I know that gender is subjective. It’s socially constructed, and we should choose to reconstruct it in the best way possible, that makes everyone happy. Let people have whatever gender they want. Choose to believe in new genders, choose to perceive new gender presentations. Choose freedom through subjectivity.

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      • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        This is such a load of bull.

        The whole point of objectivity is that it allows for cooperation and understanding between people with different experiences. People can invent whatever ideas they like, but by testing those ideas against an objective physical standard, it becomes possible to determine which one is more correct. Without that, when views diverge, people default to stuff like “might makes right.”

        Critical thinking is a process of examining and questioning of one’s preexisting beliefs, through rationality. Without that process, what you have is either the ideas that you have passively absorbed through society (primarily, the ideas of the ruling class), or your own made up stuff that other people have no reason to agree with, leading to an inability to unite around an alternative and a de facto victory for the status quo. Subjectivity is not true freedom, because it leads to division and confusion, and division is incapable of resisting oppression, “For what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one?”

        It’s such a pet peeve for me the way you’re always trying to tie the validity of trans identities to a rejection of objectivity. Trans rights are objective! It is factual, testable, observable, that supporting trans identities has a positive effect on people’s mental health. In rejecting objectivity, you are, in fact, opening the door to say that subjective perspectives that are transphobic are just as true as anything else.

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      • i_love_FFT@jlai.lu ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        If really love to be able to subjectively stop eating and sleeping, waste of time… I’d be free from that.

        There are many social constructs about which what you say is possible, but there is still some underlying world which will nit change.

        Ignoring all of the world’s problems will not make them go away, you have to acknowledge them and face them. Although it’s okay to take breaks from the world to rest and recuperate! But don’t simply escape reality and let the bad people take it all…

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• AeonFelis@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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