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• Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  tbf, christian dogma supported slavery for hundreds of yesrs.

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  • IronBird@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    it wasnt until 1888 that the pope denounced slavery wholesale, until that point is was various manners of “fine long as they’re treated right”, then “fine long as they’re not (white) christians”, “fine long as they’re christians”, “fine long as it’s punishment for a crime”. etc.

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    • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Before Messianic times, the likes of Philo of Alexandria rejected slavery. And even in the early Messianic times (from a secular standpoint, this is when Christianity became a thing) there were abolitionists such as St Gregory of Nyssa, a fourth century bishop.

      Protestants were denouncing slavery in the 1700s, such as John Wesley and the Society for Effecting the Abolition of the Slave Trade being formed in the late 1700s by Quakers - which was originally a Christian denomination.

      There’s a 40~ minute documentary on the subject available here: youtu.be/kA0-21H1TtU

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      • Estiar@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        All of these claims could be true, but even so, it does not mean that the Bible rejects slavery or that the church has rejected slavery historically. Many of the churches in the American south explicitly endorse slavery before the civil war. Not only due to biblical scripture but in order to preserve their hierarchical society.

        There are a number of lgbtq affirming churches today in America. Some are splitting up over this issue. I can point to verses in the Bible such as when Jesus tells people to become eunuchs or when Paul says “there is is neither Jew nor gentile nor male nor female” and say that the Bible allows lgbtq people to live normally. But if in 50 years, lgbtq people are accepted by the church, and I said that it was always that way, that would be intellectually dishonest. The tradition of eunuchs that people would point out in history was condemned by the council of Nicaea around 500 AD and marginalization would continue and has continued today. I’d be intellectually dishonest if I said that the church had always respected lgbtq people.

        Likewise, it’s the same with slavery. It wasn’t condemned and it was supported by scriptures and the people who practice Christianity. Christian countries would conquer land and take slaves. It’s intellectually dishonest to say that the church has always condemned slavery or that it was the majority position until recently.

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  • FerretyFever0@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    History? Tf do you mean?

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    • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      The support of slavery has never been Christian dogma.

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