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backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 1 day agoNo. Those are historical pictures of the price to be paid when you spend your life doing this
It’s ugly, it’s unsettling, it’s uncomfortable, it’s graphic. But if the subject is “lets comment and upvote how violent we want to be against the system”, while I wholeheartedly endorse that sentiment, that is what you need to be capable of because this is what they are doing with their power. Everyone needs to see what happens to the vulnerable when you use talk while the victimizers use action. Everyone needs to be reminded of what it actually looks like when you chose to fight back with action.
The internet is full of calls for violence from people who have never actually been in a situation where they inflict a life altering level of violence on another person, much less a life ending one. It’s not Hollywood and it’s not superheroes. Your enemies may have abandoned their humanity but they’re still human, and if/when you fight them, you will have to do things that are gory and unpleasant.
I don’t doubt that the victims of ICE are nearing the level of suffering we see in the death camp liberation photos. We see atrocities in Gaza on a daily basis. We know who’s behind it, we cheer the idea that their ability to do so will end, we keep psyching ourselves up to accept the reality and fight back. Great, but here’s what it looks like. Accept it or keep looking the other way while hoping someone else takes care of it and your hands are clean. They’re not, the blood of all the victims is as much on yours and mine for not accepting the terms of the brutalizers in this conflict and treating moral objection and righteous condemnation as the solution while they grind others into nothing.
The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I’m not saying that this part of history shouldn’t be discussed or seen. I’m saying that it’s reasonable to give people browsing Lemmy a warning before seeing dead bodies.
Y’all can continue your debate, but that first photo needs to be behind a spoiler tag before I can clear this report.
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 1 day ago
Do what you gotta do, and if that means sanitizing the misery of genocide and the consequences of fascism, on a forum the calls for death and destruction of fascism are a daily occurrence 🤷♂️
How many people are being abused and killed in ICE camps and Gaza everyday? How many more are virtue signaling on social media or a live stream while it goes on? Death and violence are easier to imagine abstractly because most people don’t encounter it every day. But it’s all around, it’s happening, they know it’s happening, they cheer for reprisal but can’t handle seeing the end result?
People are free to known but not want to see it, they’re free to look away, but fuck me, are we really at a point where the dead body of the guy who invented modern fascism is taboo? The people complaining are either fascists who don’t want to be reminded of what we do to their kind, or the left is utterly fucked because our ranks really are filled with snowflakes and bleeding-hearts who are never going to put up a fight.
Delete if you must but I’m not changing the post.
The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I’m not here to get in the middle of your conversation, I’m just responding to a report because we have a rule about showing porn, gore, or distressing images without a nsfw or spoiler tag. This includes your comment with the dead bodies.
I understand your motivation, but the rule exists to give people a chance to consent first.
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 1 day ago
So is this really where we’re at in society? I’ve got one leftist so ill educated on history they don’t know Mussolini was killed by antifascist partisans, so insistent on opposing the death penalty they’d pardon the architects of the Holocaust, and so invested in “America is always the worst” they reject Nuremberg (which they’re also seemingly unaware was a joint effort of the US/UK/France/Soviets). Now I’ve got liberal feel good values complaining about consent over historically significant photos of how fascism was ended last time it popped up. Meanwhile, there’s an ongoing genocide, concentration camps (and probably genocide), and multiple wars of conquest, all of them under the direction of leaders that are essentially fascist level dictators. But here we are, arguing amongst ourselves over whether the people behind WW2 deserved death and consenting to be reminded of what calls for violent resistance are going to look like. That’s why I posted them, to shock and unsettle people, with or without their consent. The victims of ICE, Russia, Zionists, and the US military aren’t consenting to what is being done to them as I type this and others read it. The world is a shocking and violent place and if the worst thing to happen to you today was a picture of a dead dictator made you feel violated, jfc. The victims of people like Mussolini are getting raped by dogs and disappeared into 3rd world prisons today. What the hell are people going to do when they witness ICE or whatever comes next violently assaulting and murdering people in the streets, inform them they didn’t consent to see that? They are literally shooting children for sport in Gaza and ICE are gunning down people on a whim. Why in the actual fuck are supposed leftists arguing feelings and vibes amongst each other while the people we claim to be standing with and supporting are being annihilated by a machine we do fuck all to stop?!?