I’m not gonna simp for the US government’s right to execute people. Miss Me with that authoritarian shit. I only support murder of fascists when it’s done by anarchist vigilantes. That’s because I trust Luigi Mangione types better than I trust Harry Truman types.
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backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 1 day agoGrail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 day ago
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 1 day ago
Mussolini was killed by Italian partisans, literally the anarchists, socialists, and communists who spent the war fighting the fascists. I honestly don’t care how they die. Want to put ‘em down, use every resource and avenue at your disposal. Truman didn’t kill Nazis, my grandfather did. How he got to Europe doesn’t much matter to me so long as they’re dead. John C. Woods is a hero because the US government tried to give them a clean death, he made them die slowly in agony. Luigi didn’t do it, he was at my house cross-country. Whoever did though… keep up the good fight.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 day ago
I care who kills fascists because I don’t think the government should have the power to kill people. The government will become corrupt if you give it that power. Instead of empowering the state, we should be dismantling it.
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 1 day ago
I think only active combatants should be killed.
You want the morality of in the moment life or death decisions being morally justifiable and clean cut good guy/bad guy. That’s not how death dealing works. Start the slaughter and the innocent are going to get caught in the crossfire. It’s not just middle aged white men you’re going to face, you’re going to face women and brainwashed children making a desperate last stand where it’s their ideals or yours. Hesitate and they’ll win. Disarm them but hope they’ll swallow the loss and change and they’ll fester until they have the opportunity to stage a comeback. Demand that everyone fight solely for your personal values and you fight alone. I despise tankies and libertarians almost as much as I do fascists, but if I gotta use their help to eradicate the fascists, I’ll take the help I can get and sort their value out later. And if they go down fighting, great, problem solved, hopefully they took out a good ratio before they were eliminated. It’s like watching Christians, Zionists, and jihadists fight- by all means, kill each other. But there’s no clean war, we all suffer the fallout. If you truly have a capacity for interpersonal violence and want go down that path, go for it. Anyone can talk big online anonymously, you know where the haters in your community live, work, and hang-out. Make ‘em suffer. But don’t delude yourself into thinking your actions are going to be ideal, that you’ll always get a ideal enemy, or that your allies are on the same spectrum. Dead Nazis are dead Nazis. Legit question: you and I agree on the idea of death as an option but have some ethical differences on when/where/how. If push comes to shove are you really going to fight me if we’ve got some captured Nazis in cuffs and I want to be done with them?
The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Could you put the gore behind a spoiler tag? Getting reports about it from people who’d rather not see that unintentionally.
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 1 day ago
No. Those are historical pictures of the price to be paid when you spend your life doing this
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It’s ugly, it’s unsettling, it’s uncomfortable, it’s graphic. But if the subject is “lets comment and upvote how violent we want to be against the system”, while I wholeheartedly endorse that sentiment, that is what you need to be capable of because this is what they are doing with their power. Everyone needs to see what happens to the vulnerable when you use talk while the victimizers use action. Everyone needs to be reminded of what it actually looks like when you chose to fight back with action.
The internet is full of calls for violence from people who have never actually been in a situation where they inflict a life altering level of violence on another person, much less a life ending one. It’s not Hollywood and it’s not superheroes. Your enemies may have abandoned their humanity but they’re still human, and if/when you fight them, you will have to do things that are gory and unpleasant.
I don’t doubt that the victims of ICE are nearing the level of suffering we see in the death camp liberation photos. We see atrocities in Gaza on a daily basis. We know who’s behind it, we cheer the idea that their ability to do so will end, we keep psyching ourselves up to accept the reality and fight back. Great, but here’s what it looks like. Accept it or keep looking the other way while hoping someone else takes care of it and your hands are clean. They’re not, the blood of all the victims is as much on yours and mine for not accepting the terms of the brutalizers in this conflict and treating moral objection and righteous condemnation as the solution while they grind others into nothing.
The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I’m not saying that this part of history shouldn’t be discussed or seen. I’m saying that it’s reasonable to give people browsing Lemmy a warning before seeing dead bodies.
Y’all can continue your debate, but that first photo needs to be behind a spoiler tag before I can clear this report.
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 1 day ago
Do what you gotta do, and if that means sanitizing the misery of genocide and the consequences of fascism, on a forum the calls for death and destruction of fascism are a daily occurrence 🤷♂️
How many people are being abused and killed in ICE camps and Gaza everyday? How many more are virtue signaling on social media or a live stream while it goes on? Death and violence are easier to imagine abstractly because most people don’t encounter it every day. But it’s all around, it’s happening, they know it’s happening, they cheer for reprisal but can’t handle seeing the end result?
People are free to known but not want to see it, they’re free to look away, but fuck me, are we really at a point where the dead body of the guy who invented modern fascism is taboo? The people complaining are either fascists who don’t want to be reminded of what we do to their kind, or the left is utterly fucked because our ranks really are filled with snowflakes and bleeding-hearts who are never going to put up a fight.
Delete if you must but I’m not changing the post.