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Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 days agoOh, are you one of those people who’s pro-death-penalty? No thanks, I’m a leftist. I think only active combatants should be killed.
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 1 day ago
The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Could you put the gore behind a spoiler tag? Getting reports about it from people who’d rather not see that unintentionally.
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 1 day ago
No. Those are historical pictures of the price to be paid when you spend your life doing this
It’s ugly, it’s unsettling, it’s uncomfortable, it’s graphic. But if the subject is “lets comment and upvote how violent we want to be against the system”, while I wholeheartedly endorse that sentiment, that is what you need to be capable of because this is what they are doing with their power. Everyone needs to see what happens to the vulnerable when you use talk while the victimizers use action. Everyone needs to be reminded of what it actually looks like when you chose to fight back with action.
The internet is full of calls for violence from people who have never actually been in a situation where they inflict a life altering level of violence on another person, much less a life ending one. It’s not Hollywood and it’s not superheroes. Your enemies may have abandoned their humanity but they’re still human, and if/when you fight them, you will have to do things that are gory and unpleasant.
I don’t doubt that the victims of ICE are nearing the level of suffering we see in the death camp liberation photos. We see atrocities in Gaza on a daily basis. We know who’s behind it, we cheer the idea that their ability to do so will end, we keep psyching ourselves up to accept the reality and fight back. Great, but here’s what it looks like. Accept it or keep looking the other way while hoping someone else takes care of it and your hands are clean. They’re not, the blood of all the victims is as much on yours and mine for not accepting the terms of the brutalizers in this conflict and treating moral objection and righteous condemnation as the solution while they grind others into nothing.
The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I’m not saying that this part of history shouldn’t be discussed or seen. I’m saying that it’s reasonable to give people browsing Lemmy a warning before seeing dead bodies.
Y’all can continue your debate, but that first photo needs to be behind a spoiler tag before I can clear this report.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 day ago
I’m not gonna simp for the US government’s right to execute people. Miss Me with that authoritarian shit. I only support murder of fascists when it’s done by anarchist vigilantes. That’s because I trust Luigi Mangione types better than I trust Harry Truman types.
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 1 day ago
Mussolini was killed by Italian partisans, literally the anarchists, socialists, and communists who spent the war fighting the fascists. I honestly don’t care how they die. Want to put ‘em down, use every resource and avenue at your disposal. Truman didn’t kill Nazis, my grandfather did. How he got to Europe doesn’t much matter to me so long as they’re dead. John C. Woods is a hero because the US government tried to give them a clean death, he made them die slowly in agony. Luigi didn’t do it, he was at my house cross-country. Whoever did though… keep up the good fight.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 day ago
I care who kills fascists because I don’t think the government should have the power to kill people. The government will become corrupt if you give it that power. Instead of empowering the state, we should be dismantling it.
Footer1998@crazypeople.online 1 day ago
grail you are notorious for being a liar lmfao
do you recognize israel is committing genocide in gaza?
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 day ago
Yes, Israel is committing a genocide. I think Australia should declare war on Israel and bomb IDF bases until the genocide stops. We should demand that Israel recognise the Palestinian state and withdraw all trespasses onto Palestinian land. But once the war is over, I do not think Australia should execute zionist civilians. I also do not think zionist civilians in Australia should be executed by the government. Certainly, if they’re collaborating with the IDF, their work should be seized. The most egregious domestic offenders should be charged with community service.
Would you have the Australian government (which, by the way, is an illegal government just like Israel) execute zionist citizens for treason, commit to an invasion of Palestinian land, and execute all Israeli citizens who support the genocide? I wouldn’t. We have no death penalty in Australia for good reason. I would not support any politician who advocated for reinstating capital punishment, even if they intended to execute zionists.
Footer1998@crazypeople.online 1 day ago
ok great! i am also opposed to zionist civillians being killed unless they’re e.g. political leaders. i am also opposed to the death penalty. but that isn’t what was happening in that discussion, godric was baselessly accusing an anti-zionist of supporting indiscriminate murder, that anti-zionist consistently rejected that claim and provided evidence of past comments where they explicitly argued against indiscriminate killing of zionists and asked i think 4 times if godric recognized the genocide and every. single. time. godric dodged the question
godric is a fucking zionist, 100%.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 day ago
Godric says they dodged the question because they recognised that you were using the alt-right playbook, and didn’t want to take your engagement bait. I think that’s a valid position. I’m a bit more of a skilled speechwriter, so I know how to maneuver past engagement debate and stay on topic while also addressing the question. But if Godric didn’t feel confident with outmaneuvering your engagement bait and wanted to just stay on topic, I respect that. I gotta say, I also noticed you using the alt-right playbook. You made a wild accusation against Me with no evidence and gish-galloped straight into interrogating Me. It’s a good thing I know how to deal with that sort of bad-faith rhetoric. I’m not gonna take your word that Godric is a zionist, just because they refused to engage with your bad-faith nonsense.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 day ago
You sound like an Israeli psyop trying to phrase reasonable opinions in such a ridiculous manner as to drive people into supporting Israel.
Even your choice of instance is too on the nose. You might as well be explicitly saying “look how crazy you have to be to support Palestine.”
Footer1998@crazypeople.online 1 day ago
or maybe i’m just speaking the truth but you’re too brainwashed into reddit brain to acknowledge someone who is emotional about nazis who support a genocide
ask godric if they acknowledge the genocide and find out for yourself
if you’re a zionist spreading hasbara, go fuck yourself and die.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 day ago
The crazy person shouting on the corner with no shirt and covered in ketchup might be right. But they sure aren’t helping their cause.