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Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

A good company costs 60K minimum

You get how that’s even grosser, right?

Don’t speak on behalf of the locals. I personally knew 2 different Sherpas

‘Don’t speak on behalf of the locals, allow me, who knew two dudes, to do so instead’? No, I think I’ll listen to reporting by the BBC, who talked to people whose livelihoods didn’t depend on telling them what they wanted to hear. Obviously some locals do want to climb, but you are delusional if you believe nobody is doing it for money to support their family.

Everything else you’re saying here is irrelevant, I never said it wasn’t physically challenging. It’s just immoral to climb Everest due to the local exploitation and environmental degradation inherent to climbing it. Outside of the nearly 20 lbs of waste each person creates climbing the mountain (the majority of which doesn’t get removed), there are also deforestation issues from locals over harvesting wood to meet tourist demand.

There is not an amount of explanation that is going to move me beyond those facts.

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auzy1@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
What’s gross at this point, is that watching a bbc documentary doesn’t make you a professional lol .You know no dudes, so, I know more dudes than you.

You’re not even getting some of the basics right.

On both my trips they only burnt dried yak dung and even the hot water either uses massive reflector solar mirrors or gas . Nobody is carrying wood to any of the camps. Do you think at camp 4 they’re sitting oxygen deprived around a nice fire which produces more co2?

Are you running on full renewables at home? Any renewables? Or, is there a double standard? Its ok for you to burn wood at home?

When you go hiking, or pull over on a long drive, do you use a wag bag? If not, you’re not any better than them…

The climbing permit has now changed and people have to carry down some garbage, and there is a lot of work going into cleanup. Yes it’s a problem, but it doesn’t make climbing any easier.

At kala pattar actually (5500m), I actually saw a mouse which was likely eating scraps. If anything, ironically there is actually more life due to tourists because it’s barren even at that altitude

I’m not sure what you do with your free time, but it better be a lot of volunteering…

Your phone was produced by someone who didn’t want to work but had to

At this point you’re throwing random things you heard from the documentary, saying “it’s relevant” at the wall and hoping something sticks whilst trying to portray yourself as superior.

Go do a mountaineering course, and then report back at how little of an accomplishment even 8000m is, let alone an altitude where your body is dying, and you have limited time to summit and return before it does.
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- Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  It’s clear at this point you’re not able to have an unemotional conversation about it. Your anecdotal experience as someone dropping the cost of a down payment on a house on a vacation to a place with serious, long lasting issues with the tourist trade and talking to two dudes you are paying isn’t the same as a team of journalists investigating. You keep saying documentary for some reason, which is only revealing you didn’t even bother reading the very extensive article I linked. If you’d like to discuss specific points from or you’re going to have to read it. It’s also grasping at straws to pretend using electricity in a city is just like the environmental destruction or human exploitation happening to climb the mountain.
  
  I hope you find less destructive and exploitative hobbies in the future.
  
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  - auzy1@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Lol. You’re sitting there on your phone created by exploited workers, with your HVAC turned on burning coal, watching tv burning coal, using hot water burning gas (likely not even using a heat pump). Your environment footprint is obviously excellent. Are you at least a vegetarian (I’m not, but just wondering if you’re even doing the bare minimum)
    
    You were caught out lying like “they burn wood”.
    
    I literally do hiking as a hobby, which is likely less environmentally damaging than you sitting at home on your computer.I operate a free hiking group in my free time
    
    And I literally am friends with a few Nepalese people that I met in Nepal… who apparently added me on Facebook after getting exploited (apparently)
    
    Sorry, you have no clue whatsoever.
    
    I suggest your next doco is on space, so you can pretend you’re an astronaut. Oh wait, Neil Armstrong is gross too apparently.
    
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