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• FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  …or the humanisation of other life. You know you can just say “well actually I love drinking milk and I can’t think of a way to sustain that lifestyle without industrial farming processes” instead of pretending vegans are all misogynists, which doesn’t make sense

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  • Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Not all of them. Just OOP

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    • FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Do you believe that it’s impossible to use the word “female” without it being sexist?

      Because this is some take I’ve seen floating around and it seems like a a serious misunderstanding of the “incels call women females and femoids” dynamic, and for the sake of not getting annoyed by so much stuff you see online it would be a good idea to course correct

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      • Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        with the current format of the meme no combination of words exists for them to compare and contrast humans to animals, other than “females.”

        Thats… Incredibly superficial and shows zero cultural awareness.

        One half of the meme is an abortion rights campaign phrase, which is a badly needed campaign because women don’t have that right in many places around the world. And it’s majorly opposed by conservative men. Those same men also use the term “females” to refer to women in a derogatory way.

        only when you get to the end of the text do you realise it exists for 1 messaging purpose

        This is ALSO a very common method for that exact same group to pretend their misogynist messaging is covered up when pointed out. They go “it’s not about dehumanizing women, it’s about veganism bro!” Or “that’s not the point, you’re digging too deep, keep being triggered lol”.

        This is a common method to dogwhistle their in-group.

        they could have, I suppose, opened with a woman saying “I’m sure glad I’m not artificially inseminated every nine months so milk can be harvested from my body!” Then cut to a picture of a cow in the second panel. It’s essentially the same thing.

        It’s the same surface level message. But using their misogynist worldview to carry the surface level message ALSO reinforces that worldview.

        The more you also support that framework, the more the framework is normalized. The more the framework is normalized, the easier it becomes to dehumanize and degrade women.

        And arguing about it in bad faith, which they have to, is also what happens a lot. Because when someone points out a dogwhistle, it becomes less effective.

        Everything is malformed messaging to increase it’s viral-spread quality.

        Exactly. But the viral load isn’t on the surface. Using a framework to convey normal information supports that framework. The framework is the point, the surface information is a cover.

        And using the surface info that appeals to “the enemy” is doubly effective, because it makes your enemy look deranged, scoring you a double win.

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      • JFLennson@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Well put but I wouldn’t generalize that vegans see animal lives as equal. That’s a wide spread misconception. I know some do. But it’s about avoidabilty. I would kill an animal with my bare fucking hands to save a fellow human life if there is no other way. You don’t have to think of animals as equal to realise all of this fucked up and no living beeing capeable of feeling emotions deserves to be treated like that.

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