Comment on Lord Lucifer, hear my prayers
rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day agoHi, I’m one of the other people. Etymology is interesting and useful, but the question “what is Lucifer and how is he related to Satan” in the context about Christianity is specifically about dogma. When discussing dogma, etymology literally does not matter. Lucifer and Satan are the same, as defined by the church before the protestant movement, making it christian canon for all sects except Eastern Orthodoxy.
wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 19 hours ago
The person asked the question, specifically, why Christians conflate the two, and whether it is true that they are always the same person. Notice that the question asks not just for a dogmatic response, but a comparative religious analysis. While it is true that “Christians treat them like the same person”, saying “they are the same person” doesn’t answer the question.
rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 hours ago
This is my issue with your previous comment. It’s clear to me that we interpreted the question differently. Different interpretations does not make either of us wrong. I chose to answer with established current beliefs, you chose to answer with theological history. Both are correct.
This wasn’t just an organic movement of peasants creating their own interpretations. It was literally taught by the church. Your own source about Satan specifically talks mentions pope Gregory IX accusing Cathars as following a heretical religion of Lucifer. This suggests that Lucifer and Satan were considered the same by the church, long before the 11th century. The demons that were “made up” were almost all Pagan gods. It was a deliberate action by the church to get them to convert.