Comment on Why would someone openly say that they oppose human rights?

MightEnlightenYou@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• frankPodmore@slrpnk.net ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  There are also specific articles in the universal declaration of human rights that I think are wrong

  Do you mind saying which ones?

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  • MightEnlightenYou@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Article 16.3

    The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.

    I disagree that the family is the fundamental group unit of society.

    Article 25.2

    Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

    I feel discriminated that motherhood and not fatherhood are entirely to Worfield care.

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    • frankPodmore@slrpnk.net ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Fair enough. Sounds like you favour the idea of human rights but disagree on some specific conceptions of exactly what those rights are?

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      • MightEnlightenYou@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        In the broad term I very much favour them. But when you actually read up on it a lot, like I have, the broad term loses its meaning and I always wonder what people actually mean by it when they say it.

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  • ryathal@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Not OP, but there’s a handful of things that can be found problematic dependingon your beliefs.

    • The concept of legal or constitutionally granted human rights.
    • The right to a minimum standard of living.
    • That these rights exist so long as they are used in ways approved by the United Nations.
    • The right to a nationality, enshrines the concept of a nation as a human right.
    • Predominantly western influence in terms of inclusion, exclusion, and language.
    • The lack of any force of law.

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    • vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The concept of legal or constitutionally granted human rights. The lack of any force of law.

      You oppose human right because you oppose human rights? But also because they are not really rights?

      It sounds like your position would necessitate a bit more explanation.

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      • ryathal@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Human rights are things that a person has simply by existing, referring to them as granted through legal or constitutional processes is backwards. It essentially cheapens the concept of human rights, which is a totally valid criticism.

        The lack of force of law is, because the charter is basically meaningless. A country can agree to it and ignore it without any real consequences.

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