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• Tikiporch@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  It treats humans for specific infectious diseases. Covid wasn’t one of them, and neither is hantavirus. If you don’t believe me, ask the Nobel winner you referenced.

  It might work in a petri dish, it doesn’t work in the human body. Horses are bigger than humans.

  It might work on Centaurs…

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  • TheDankMemegician36@thelemmy.club ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Thats crazy, must be why all those news organizations had to make up stories about people going untreated from gun shot wounds because the hospitals were overwhelmed with people overdosing on ivermectin.

    I remember the chairman of the Tokyo Medical Association Haruo Ozaki publicly recommending the use of ivermectin for treating covid based on several observational studies but I dont remember either of the people who won the Nobel prize for ivermectin ever publicly stating anything about its use in treating covid.

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    • Muehe@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I dont remember either of the people who won the Nobel prize for ivermectin ever publicly stating anything about its use in treating covid.

      One of them specifically said it’s not his area of expertise:

      I am a biologist with no claim to expertise in the clinical evaluation of drugs against viral infections. Thus, I have not taken a stand in support of, or against, the efficacy of ivermectin against COVID-19.

      drew.edu/…/drew-university-nobel-prize-winner-ref…

      I remember the chairman of the Tokyo Medical Association Haruo Ozaki publicly recommending the use of ivermectin for treating covid based on several observational studies

      A lot of people said a lot of things during the early days of the pandemic. The current consensus seems to be it only helps if you have Covid and also a coincidental worm infection that the ivermectin treats. Which is often true sadly on large parts of the planet.

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      • TheDankMemegician36@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        So I should ask the Nobel prize winner to find out he doesn’t have an opinion on the matter and that is supposed to be evidence that it doesn’t work?

        Haruo Ozaki made his recommendation to use Ivermectin as a treatment for covid on February 9th, 2021. Not exactly “early days” of the pandemic. It was well over a year into the virus spreading and nearly a year into it officially being a pandemic.

        As far as I can tell there is no “current consensus” regarding Ivermectin outside of the mainstream narrative that its “deboonked conservative quackery”. Looking into it further there seems to be one side that is willing to point to clinical data like Haruo did when making his recommendation and one side reflexively demonizing it as “horse paste” because the main stream media told them that hospitals were “overflowing” with “ivermectin overdoses”. Its only when pushed that they then point to these more recent studies that supposedly “definitively show” ivermectine is ineffective.

        Coincidently, only one of these positions seems to have a financial incentive for big pharma but im sure that’s not relevant to the conversation.

        Looking at the timeline of events regarding Ivermectin there isnt a single study from before the topic became a political issue that found it to be ineffective. As soon as it became a political topic of contention however we suddenly get several studies with dubious funding(all of which can be traced to certain key players who stood to gain financially from ivermectines being found ineffective) and questionalble methodology like using much lower and more infrequent dosing saying that its ineffective…but as with much of the conversation surrounding the vid we get “the experts agree”, “the consensus is” and my favorite “the science is settled”.

        Anyone who’s actually looked into the matter and is honest would conclude that at best, we still dont actually know whether its effective or not because the more recent studies on the matter seem to have gone out of their way to ensure that any effect from the ivermectin wouldn’t be found.

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