Comment on Why aren't non-selfhosed AI models/apps private?

• acido@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  welcome to the real world, where corporations lie.

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  • Steve@communick.news ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Not the real world. Just your imagination.

    Corporations lie for profit. Where’s the profit for Proton in keeping peoples AI queries, when they’ve been proven not keep any other data? Literally they have nothing to gain, and everything to loose.

    Skepticism and pessimism aren’t the same thing. And baseless pessimism is the dark equivalent of naivety. They’re both equally ignorant.

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    • sanzky@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      there has been in the news several instances where proton has given to law enforcements information that have hold onto. in some cases regarding journalists.

      their answer is always “ah, yeah. we do keep that one, but not the other data”

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      • Steve@communick.news ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Of course they have to keep some basic account data. And I think the last IP you logged in from. Also email data outside the BODY can’t be encrypted. That’s just how email works. So law enforcement can get all of that if they convince a Swiss court to demand it.

        But no they don’t keep or turn over anything that isn’t technically required for the service to work. I don’t know what you’d expect.

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    • acido@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      can you link me your source about Proton being “proven to not keep any other data”?

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      • Steve@communick.news ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        All the various 3rd party audits can be found here.

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• artyom@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Most modern legal systems today presume innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.

  That’s because guilty people in the legal system get put in cages.

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