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Why am I not surprised that that’s the only thing you take away from my comment?

Sorry, what else did you say that you want me to respond to?

You use “theory” synonymous with “Marx”

No I fucking don’t. I cited Marx because Marx is one theorist.

I’m so fucking sick of you libs acting like this. Like citing a source makes me some kind of religious fanatic. You don’t see me accusing you of worshipping David Graber or saying that you “treat him as synonymous with theory.”

But more than that I’m sick of you lot taking pride in your ignorance and anti-intellectualism. No different than a MAGA chud. You’re not hostile to me because I only read Marx, because I don’t only read Marx and even if I did, there’s not a single thing I’ve said that would indicate that. You’re hostile me for reading Marx at all. You act like it’s some kind of heretical text that corrupts the minds of all that read it. Or at least, you pretend to, because by lobbing accusations like that, you can avoid any sort of informed, intellectual discussion, and conceal the fact that you don’t know shit about ass.

So congrats, you’ve sufficiently derailed the conversation to cover your ignorance, like y’all always do. Tankies are the only people on earth who do the fucking homework.

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lugal@sopuli.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
You started by accusing me of not reading theory at all, I answered by asking what qualifies as theory. You didn’t answer.

There is a rich intellectual tradition dating back to Marx’s time that’s critical of him (Bakunin, Kropotkin, Goldman, Bergman, Simon Weil, …). Does that qualify as theory? What are your criteria or prototype of what counts as theory?

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- Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Sure.
  
  If you have criticisms of Marx’s arguments and analysis regarding the national question, then let’s hear them. But if it’s just gonna be, “it’s bad because states are bad,” I could get that from a damn an-cap.
  
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  - lugal@sopuli.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Again, do you get that people are less likely to engage with you when you start the convention by insulting them? Call me a cry baby, I don’t care, but online tankies have to learn about outreach. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy that people you insult will not engage with your arguments.
    
    One basic argument is that structures of power will reproduce themselves. That’s why the state will not wither away but we need to build the movement in the structure we want to see in the end. I can point you to Anark as a content creator who engages with tankies arguments but I’m not motivated to put any more energy into a convention like this one.
    
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    Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    Again, do you get that people are less likely to engage with you when you start the convention by insulting them?
    
    Forgive me if I don’t have a lot of patience for opposing Palestinian statehood without a very good reason.
    
    One basic argument is that structures of power will reproduce themselves.
    
    This is exactly what I’m talking about. You’re not engaging with the arguments and you’re not looking at the material conditions, it’s purely this knee-jerk ideological opposition to states in general, with zero analysis beyond that.
    
    Palestinians do not need to be the forefront of some anarchist experiment that they have no desire to be a part of. If they were brought to a similar system to what virtually everyone lives under, it would be a massive improvement in their lives.
    
    Furthermore, while a culture is suffering under the boot of colonialism, it is very hard for it to progress or change internally because there is such a powerful external threat, and any proposed changes will be seen as being imposed from the outside. There have been plenty of states where decolinization has produced real material improvements in people’s lives, in spite of your knee-jerk opposition to states. Can you really look at modern Ireland and say that it’s no different than when the English were starving them?
    
    Imagine if someone’s chained up in your basement begging to be released into the world and you’re like, “You don’t wanna go out there, you’d have to get a job and jobs suck, you’d have a boss which would essentially recreate the structures of power that are constraining you right now. Let’s focus on creating an anarchist system first.” They’re not gonna give a shit about that, they’re only going to be thinking of how to get out. It’s the same way with colonized people, the first priority should be ending colonialism and engaging with them on equal footing before considering these demands about how their system has to be ideologically pure.
    
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