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homes@piefed.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

not with these piddly, passant efforts, but mass, violence has often accomplished mass civil change for the better!

The French Revolution (1789) — Violent overthrow of the monarchy and aristocracy dismantled feudalism and established the principle of popular sovereignty, which reverberated across Europe for a century.
The American Revolution (1775–1783) — Armed insurrection against British rule produced one of the first modern constitutional republics.
The Haitian Revolution (1791–1804) — The only successful slave revolt in history, producing the first Black republic and striking a massive blow against the Atlantic slave trade.
The Glorious Revolution (1688) — Though relatively brief, it involved armed invasion and overthrow of James II, producing constitutional monarchy and the English Bill of Rights.

Viva la Revolution!

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nymnympseudonym@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Taiping Rebellion (1850–1864): ~30 million deaths, mostly civilian

American Civil War (1861–1865): about 620,000 soldiers died; disease accounted for a very large share. Deadliest war in U.S. history. Society has arguably still not recovered.

Rwandan genocide / civil war context (1994): ~800,000 killed in roughly 100 days, with extreme neighbor-on-neighbor violence ("they’re eating the cats!")

Syrian civil war (2011–present): 300k+ civilian deaths … so far

Sudan civil war (2023–present): 13 million refugees, widespread hunger, health-system collapse

What made them catastrophic?

*Violence spread into civilian life. * This meant famine, disease, refugees, and economic ruin kill civilians disproportionately.
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- homes@piefed.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  if your argument is that wars are destructive and problematic… eh.. heh.. nobody on earth, ever, will debate that. I don’t know what you’re trying to win there, but.. eh…
  
  anyway, still, even with the lost civil wars among those (a couple?) they were all worth fighting, (most because they were won).
  
  Not sure what your point was, but, ultimately, your post backs up my point, so thanks!
  
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  - wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    That’s easy to say for the living, and for people who have never witnessed this kind of shit first hand.
    
    I’m not the person you’ve been replying to, and I share your concerns, and the belief that we are rapidly running put of options. But I’m not comfortable making such sweeping chipper statements about this stuff when I’ve been privileged enough to never experience it.
    
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    homes@piefed.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    so… you’re comfortable assuming things you couldn’t possibly know about people you’ve never met while making a bunch of statements about things you couldn’t possibly know in contexts and places you’ve never been while openly and proudly admitting it?
    
    do you expect a prize or medal for that?
    
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