The Nationalist party were the fucking nazis, my guy, the clue is right there in the name. They were backed by Hitler and Mussolini.
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FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 4 weeks agoThat implies that the Anarchists ever took control of the nation away from the Nationalist party which knelt down to the Nazis IMMEDIATELY.
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the_abecedarian@piefed.social 4 weeks ago
the point of anarchism is not to control the state, but rather to stop having one. for the territory that made up anarchist Spain, that was successfully achieved. it’s no weakness of anarchism itself to be defeated militarily; all kinds of societies have been defeated militarily.
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 4 weeks ago
That’s kind of my point. They didn’t manage to do that.
the_abecedarian@piefed.social 4 weeks ago
they did it for years in a significant territory. the state had no power there during that time. that was a success, even if it was rolled back by a nationalist military (supported by nazi Germany) and undermined by authoritarian communists.
also, again, there’s rojava & zapatista Mexico currently, plus other historical examples.
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 4 weeks ago
It’s not an “impossible standard” to expect a movement to create any lasting changes, or even at a bare minimum oppose fascism, to be considered a success.
the_abecedarian@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
it’s hard to keep your brand new society when the tanks show up immediately. this is not a weakness of anarchism or any political system.
you can look to rojava and the zapatistas for an example of defense that has worked for years despite long odds.