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WolfLink@sh.itjust.works â¨4⊠â¨weeks⊠agoFirst of all, there has been a lot of research into what the minimal set of assumptions you need is to reproduce what we consider âbasic mathâ and also what happens if you tweak those assumptions.
Second of all, the main goal for science and the type of math we use for science is to effectively model the world we live in.
Any aliens that live in the same universe are subject to the same physics, and any civilization advanced enough to detect our messages will know some basic universal facts about the world, and those facts are what we hope to use as the basis for starting communication.
Yeah youâre right, the main goal of science and the math we use for science is to model the universe. That model is completely subjective. The more we learn about the universe, the more the model changes. The way we learn is limited by our 5 senses and our mental models for the immediate universe around us.
That model is something of a language itself, and if a language is subjectively limited then I donât think it can be universal
The model we currently have for the universe goes well beyond anything we could learn with our natural senses and the way we intuitively think about the world because of those senses.
Itâs true that we keep refining our models an itâs ver possible that an alien would have slightly different models, but at the end of the day, we are trying to describe the same universe and those models are going to overlap a lot because of that.
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works â¨4⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
thereâd a big difference between experiencing a force and describing it though. Imagine attempting to describe proprioception to a race of spherical beings with no sense of touch.
WolfLink@sh.itjust.works â¨4⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Sure, but to get the communication started you would start with facts youâd agree on, like the positions of stars or basic chemistry.