Comment on it's a matter of motivation

• IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  That’s been one of the goals of just about every socio-economic system, but since are not yet at the point where we can completely automate away all undesirable jobs, it all circles back to being shit.

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  • bearboiblake@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I believe that there’s a way we can fairly share out all the shitty work among everyone, rather than a few at the top who do no work and exploit everyone, and a lot of people at the bottom who do all of the dirty work.

    We don’t need to automate everything, we just need a fair system to distribute the work evenly. We have the technology. We can do it. The reason we haven’t is because those in power benefit too much from the current system.

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    • IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I don’t think I can see a way to actually accomplish that without still ending up with negative outcomes.

      Take for example a surgeon, one who is a specialist who’s time is 100% occupied saving people. Does he get taken away from that to do his time as a garbage collector? Do you tell the patient “sorry, you are going to die. You could have been saved, but we needed your surgeon to go pick up garbage.”, or do you have an exemption list?

      And if there’s an exemption list, you will never convince me that people wouldn’t start abusing who is and isn’t on that list. You arrive right back to having a class society.

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      • bearboiblake@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Why would you interrupt a surgery to do trash collection? Why not just make it so everyone has one day a week dedicated to chores, for example? We all do our chores at home, right? Why not for the benefit of our communities?

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• trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Yes, paying more for the shitty jobs.

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  • bearboiblake@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Do you think the capitalistic system is going to just pay people fairly out of the goodness of the hearts of the ruling class?

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    • trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      No, never even implied that. But in any system we need something that can be exchanged for labor in carrying quantities so we can give more to the people who do the shittiest jobs. Whatever system you come up with, it’s not going to work without money.

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      • bearboiblake@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        If a medium of exchange for labor is indeed necessary, I’d say it should be measured in labor hours. We live finite lives, measured in minutes. A minute of your life is worth as much as a minute of mine, wouldn’t you say?

        I would have no inherent problem with a system that tokenizes labor hours in some way. The problem is private ownership of the means of production and profit itself.

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• endlesseden@pyfedi.deep-rose.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  ubi, competitive wages, strict caps on profits. there is lots of ways to mitigate capitalism. but basically no way to completely remove it at this point in time.

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  • bearboiblake@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    And all of those reforms will be resisted and then removed by the ruling elite, who control politicians through capitalism. Reform is just short term harm reduction. I agree we are just at the start of our journey to abolish capitalism, but we need to reach our destination, or we will be cursed to forever live through cycles of fascism rising and falling inevitably again and again.

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