That’s absolutely not what bystander effect is, not even close. It has also nothing to do with the issue at hand. Bystander effect caused not by not willing to put an effort, it’s incredibly complicated, layered, and not exactly explained, but probably the only thing we know about it for sure is that it’s not because people are lazy
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trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 11 hours agoLiving in a nice society is all the motivation people need.
You might want to read up on the bystander effect. You do the dishes because no-one else is going to do it. But as soon as there are others who can do the job people will just stand around and let other die before they put in the effort.
Nalivai@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
bearboiblake@pawb.social 11 hours ago
Don’t you think there is some way we could structure society to counteract that without creating an underclass of wage slavery?
IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 9 hours ago
That’s been one of the goals of just about every socio-economic system, but since are not yet at the point where we can completely automate away all undesirable jobs, it all circles back to being shit.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 9 hours ago
I believe that there’s a way we can fairly share out all the shitty work among everyone, rather than a few at the top who do no work and exploit everyone, and a lot of people at the bottom who do all of the dirty work.
We don’t need to automate everything, we just need a fair system to distribute the work evenly. We have the technology. We can do it. The reason we haven’t is because those in power benefit too much from the current system.
IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 9 hours ago
I don’t think I can see a way to actually accomplish that without still ending up with negative outcomes.
Take for example a surgeon, one who is a specialist who’s time is 100% occupied saving people. Does he get taken away from that to do his time as a garbage collector? Do you tell the patient “sorry, you are going to die. You could have been saved, but we needed your surgeon to go pick up garbage.”, or do you have an exemption list?
And if there’s an exemption list, you will never convince me that people wouldn’t start abusing who is and isn’t on that list. You arrive right back to having a class society.
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Yes, paying more for the shitty jobs.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 6 hours ago
Do you think the capitalistic system is going to just pay people fairly out of the goodness of the hearts of the ruling class?
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
No, never even implied that. But in any system we need something that can be exchanged for labor in carrying quantities so we can give more to the people who do the shittiest jobs. Whatever system you come up with, it’s not going to work without money.
endlesseden@pyfedi.deep-rose.org 10 hours ago
ubi, competitive wages, strict caps on profits. there is lots of ways to mitigate capitalism. but basically no way to completely remove it at this point in time.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 10 hours ago
And all of those reforms will be resisted and then removed by the ruling elite, who control politicians through capitalism. Reform is just short term harm reduction. I agree we are just at the start of our journey to abolish capitalism, but we need to reach our destination, or we will be cursed to forever live through cycles of fascism rising and falling inevitably again and again.