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• chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Yes, all people born into oppressive regimes that are often racistly holding them down are complicit. By that logic, the victims of apartheid states deserve it?

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  • bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    They do not deserve it but they fight against it, sometimes they lose sometimes they win. Americans do not fight against it.

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  • leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    There haven’t been any coups. No one has taken power by force (not since they genocided the native civilizations, at least). A vast majority of Americans have voted time and time again, for decades, for this shit, and will keep doing so if there are any elections after Taarump.

    Egoism, racism, imperialism, murder, child abuse, and runaway untethered capitalism are core American values. Basic principles upon which their culture is built. Don’t compare them to actual victims. They reap what they sow.

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    • chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I’m trying to understand the logical conclusion of your viewpoint. Do you believe even the victims of racial oppression, often also in the form of voter suppression, are responsible for all the crimes past and present of the country they found themselves trapped in?

      Are you also personally responsible for any reprehensible behavior the country you were born in has committed, past or present?

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      • leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I’m responsible for the actions of the governments I vote for, and those of the governments I don’t rebel against. As are American citizens.

        Many of the victims of racial oppression in the USA had no problem voting for Trump, or previous criminals who held offices in their government. I’m sure most of them happily voted for Obama, another mass murderer like the majority of US presidents in history.

        Because as all Americans they share those rotten core values, and will happily vote for anyone who’ll act like a bully and harm the weak, ignoring that he’ll also hurt them.

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