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Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

I mean, Spotify’s model is the industry standard, and it still suck big time and doesn’t give a shit about artists.

Anyway if I’ve learn anything over the past 10 years, it’s that it would probably be easier to convince a room full of maga to vote for Hillary Clinton than the average gamer to admit that steam sucks. So keep kissing this billionaire’s ass because he really does care about you, and remember Ubisoft and Epic (12% cut) bad.

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Rose@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
The “30% is the industry standard” claim is not even true anymore. Epic currently takes 0% to expand its catalog, though from what I remember, it estimated that it needs to take 7% or so to be profitable. Microsoft takes 12%. Itch allows to adjust. GOG’s fee varies from deal to deal. Ubisoft (and EA) no longer sell third-party games, so they’re out of scope here.

The only way I’ve seen people try to counter this is by referring to the mobile and console store fees, but going by the Epic v. Google lawsuit where the jury was asked to define the market and defined it as Android, there’s just no way that argument would hold water. Still, console manufacturers produce at a loss, so they need to make up for that. In the mobile market, Google is already changing its fee to be 20% or less.

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- architect@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Yea we are talking about platforms that sell vs platforms that are desperate to sell.
  
  Do you buy games from fucking Microsoft of all companies?!
  
  It’s a joke to think that Microsoft is doing this for any other reason besides they have to to trick idiots into investing into their platform (again after giving it up the first fucking time!)
  
  Gog and itch are fine but itch is definitely a particular gamer market. Gog is easier to use for pirated games.
  
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ericwdhs@discuss.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I’m not saying the standard doesn’t suck, just taking issue with the implication that anyone using it is uniquely bad to do so.

But yeah, you’re right that getting me to admit Steam (overall) sucks would be nigh impossible. I genuinely don’t believe it does, so there’s nothing to admit. Maybe you could convince me to lie about it though? Lol.

I do admit there’s a few places it sucks, the gambling stuff being the biggest, but their positives eclipse those for me. I also acknowledge I’m in a privileged position being able to enjoy Valve’s efforts in VR, Linux compatibility, etc. directly and that I might have different opinions if I was on the outside looking in. I imagine that’s not quite the admission you want though.

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ClamDrinker@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Challenging biased views, half truths, or having your own opinions isn’t kissing some billionaire’s ass. I don’t want billionaire’s to exist. Gabe shouldn’t need to be a billionaire. But all of this is absofuckinglutely irrelevant to whether or not Steam is a good platform, unless Gabe was wielding Steam in a way that would promote a billionaire class, which he isn’t.

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- Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Oh, I didn’t know you were a personal friend of Gabe, my bad.
  
  Anyway I don’t care about people like you, you are the problem. I care about people looking for solutions to have a healthy and fair industry.
  
  I use to make a decent living out of music and sound design, 15-20 years ago. Then spotify came along and nobody lives from selling music anymore. Now I teach and if I was honest with my students, I’d tell them they are wasting time. Even here in Montreal, with hundreds of studios, there’s basically no more job in audio because the only way to make profit out of game is with AI and sound banks. So yeah, enjoy the enshitification of games, you’re directly promoting it.
  
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  - ClamDrinker@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    You really need to take a good look in the mirror, because you are reading things that aren’t there and embarrassing yourself and the industry you claim to care about.
    
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    Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Lol. blablabla steam is good blablabla good billionaire blabla
    
    If we could collect only 10% of the energy gamers spent on kissing gabe’s ass, we could solve the energy crisis forever.
    
    Think of me in a few years, when you complain about studios releasing only AI stuff. And if you have kids, I hope they don’t become gambling addicts because I do care about that.
    
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Serinus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I’m not gonna say Steam sucks. It’s a nice organizational tool that enforces some standards.

I’d rather have a drm free game that’s 20% cheaper though. The devs can pocket the other 10%.

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