Comment on Always use proper lifting technique
blarghly@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I know this is a joke, but I have this rant locked and loaded, so it’s going off.
Just fucking lift things.
The reason you always see this advice with the beige corporate art style is because that’s who invented it. Corporations. They noticed they kept having to pay workers comp when people threw out their backs on the job, and so started parroting this line rather than actually doing anything to solve the problem.
Essentially what they are trying to get you to do is use a powerlifting style squat/deadlift technique to lift everything. Which makes some sense. Powerlifters can lift a lot of weight. But it doesn’t make that much sense because most things in real life aren’t barbell shaped. They are weird and bulky and awkward and asymmetrical and have no good places to grab with your hands. You grab them however you can, and lift them however you can, because the job needs to get done. The human body is not a delicate flower that will wilt and die if you don’t use perfect squat technique to lift every object you ever lift until the day you die. We know this because you’ve lifted all sorts of things all sorts of ways and you’ve mostly been fine.
Does technique matter? Of course! That’s why real weightlifters and powerlifters practice it obsessively. You aren’t gonna pull 600lbs raw without having some damn good technique. But you aren’t pulling 600lbs when you pick up a bankers box full of tps reports.
The real way to avoid back injuries is:
- Move around a lot during the day. If you work an office job, stand up and go get a coffee and talk to Bill in accounting, or go for a stroll around the parking lot. Stretch out a little if something feel tight.
- Exercise. Start by just going out and doing literally anything - hiking, cycling, playing soccer, yoga, etc. The most important thing for back health is just having a core that is fairly strong and fit, which is trained by doing “fun” sports. If you are already regularly exercising, you can supplement with some heavy lifting.
- Don’t overdo it. Most tweaks happen when people are fatigued, and their muscles aren’t coordinating in the way they usually do. So if you are getting tired, call it early.
Now, what should the person who lifts things for their job do? Well, fingers crossed you aren’t already injured. In that case, start hitting the gym - probably just one day per week, or as job fatigue allows - and start building up the big lifts. If you can pull 600lbs, you probably won’t throw out your back moving a couch, even if you are moving couches all day.
Azrael@reddthat.com 1 day ago
Tell me you don’t lift for your job without telling me you don’t lift for your job. Your back will start to hurt after 5 minutes if you bend over like that. Loading trucks for your job grinds you down like sandpaper on your joints.
blarghly@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
I’m a concert rigger. My job is to bend over, balanced on a 6" beam, and pull a 100lb chain 100feet in the air over and over again.
Azrael@reddthat.com 6 hours ago
Surely there are OSHA guidelines regulating that. I’m not calling you a liar. I’m just saying that pulling a 100lb chain 100ft vertically repeatedly would be brutally inefficient without mechanical advantage. If i’m not mistaken, riggers rarely use brute force alone for that kind of task.
blarghly@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
I mean, I exaggerate a little. But only a little. OSHA regulates how we attach ourselves to the structure - harnesses, lifelines, lanyards, etc. But how we do the pulling is, as far as I know, completely unregulated. You’re a professional - don’t drop shit.
In my home market, we do often use progress capture shivs, and this improves safety since if you fuck up and let go for some reason, the shiv takes the weight. But one wheel only provides a redirect of force - which can mean a more advantageous pulling direction, but isn’t technically a mechanical advantage. If you set up a 3-1 to pull a point, you would almost certainly be demoted to stagehand, since you would be pulling more than 3x slower than everyone else. And considering that I regularly do fairly strict one arm deadlifts on the 20mm edge of my tension block with about 130lbs, pulling a 100lb chain isn’t a huge deal.
Also, we are one of the stricter, more conservative markets, since a lot of both our riggers and managers are rock climbers who have little ego attached to the job. Other markets can be significantly more cowboy. A climber who rigs for a living wants to get the job done efficiently and go home with enough energy to climb hard the next day. But the blue collar guy who got the job because he had too many face tattoos and too little patience to learn to weld will see his job as an opportunity to get his rocks off and prove his masculinity or something. And a tour rigger who just landed after following the band through UAE, Rio, and Mexico City will laugh and say OSHA can suck their dick as they slam pins with an unteathered hammer, legs snaked through the tower truss to hold on, since they climbed up with neither harness nor hard hat.
So yeah, straight pulling your point is quite common.