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Paragone@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

There are 2 fundamental systems-understandings required, & you’ve hit on 1 of them: when you remove the good brain, an evil-brain fills the vacuum ( “nature abhors a vacuum” is a true sociopolitical-principle! )


Within your body, your brain is boss.

Period.

Go look at the biology of ALL VERTEBRATES and you will see that there is a “boss”, a brain, in ALL of them.

Now go look at coral, or bacterial-colonies, or jellyfish, & see what “no boss” means:

it caps the allowed-intentionality, the allowed-complexity, the allowed-effectiveness, the allowed-depth-of-meaning, that the organism CAN be.

Same with civilizations!

That’s the other principle.


So, so long as you’re willing to have a civilization which doesn’t include any parent-child relationships ( because “parent” & “boss” mean the same thing, in that relationship, especially with toddlers ), or ANY hierarchy-relationship ( teacher-student being another ), THEN true-anarchy is possible.

But then you’re limited, in pure-anarchy-form, to a few adults collaborating or not-collaborating, & you’ve removed medical-services ( which are hierarchical ), aviation ( ditto ), regulation ( disallowing pollution by “persons”, corporate OR individual ), education ( teacher/student ), etc.

You’ve removed team-research.

You’ve removed emergency-response-forces, which are hierarchical ( with good reason: consensus works when one has infinite-time to resolve anything, as Ikea does: better quality decisions … which take forever to resolve! … but in life-on-the-line-time-crunch, hierarchy wins, & that is objective fact.

The next time you see a ship sinking, while committees are forming aboard, to discuss possible-solutions, but nobody is either stopping the sinking or getting people into the lifeboats, then you’re looking at non-hierarchy’s consensus-perfection. )

IOW, the stunning amount of ignoring required to maintain that no-archy is valid, puts it far outside of Objectivity, putting it ONLY in the Ideology category.

The more-complex the civilization, the more-required it is to have teacher/student, to have regulation/doer ( to protect the commons ), to have parent/child relationship, to have science leading technology, to have child-protection-services, etc.

Vertebrates vs jellyfish showed this principle all along!

& if you’ve got a complex-civilization, & you remove the good-brain, … then there are ONLY 2 things that’d happen, left:

EITHER you’ve replaced the good-brain with automatic-systems, automating-away government with machine-learning, best-of-breed issue-solving mechanisms, automatic management of the economic dimensions ( measurement shows that these roads need repairing to keep future-costs down, that was automatically solved, contracts are automatically offered, automatically bid-on, etc, … AND things like … too-much-investment is going into these careers, & those careers are being understaffed, pay is now automatically altered ( supply-demand principle ) to make the understaffed careers more-attractive ), automatic management of pay-ladders, etc…

AND the economy is not-for-profit.

That’s actually required, too, btw…

DarkTriad { narcissism, machiavellianism, sociopathy-psychopathy } ISN’T COMPATIBLE with civilized flourishing, either incorporated-“person” or individual-authority DarkTriad!

Which political-system our world’s “wearing” is actually secondary to that!

Put DarkTriad in charge of ANY political-paradigm, & hell will be sooner or later enforced, obviously.

OR … organized-crime wins, & becomes the all-pervading boss. ( in East Germany, that was the gov’t itself, same as with Putin’s Russia )


It isn’t a political-will problem, it is a fundamental-human-nature problem, that can only be mitigated through rigging systems to make entire-categories-of-decisions for us, to remove our DarkTriad manipulation-of-world ( unconscious-bias OR conscious! ) from the equation.

The statistics that if you want someone convicted, just make them nonwhite, male, & low-education, or if you want them not convicted, then you make them white, female, & well-educated, is bias not objectivity-in-judging.

How can civilrights win against political-motivation when EVERYTHING we do is deformed by our unconscious biases??

& that deforming-of-process/deforming-of-results … isn’t mitigated by ideology ( which is bias ) or by political-regime ( which is just biased-framework ).

It can only be mitigated, by automating-out the decisions which ought not be political.

& that also means that we have to prevent DarkTriad people from even being eligible for authority-roles:

we have to filter them out, XOR we get Putin/Netanyahu/Millei/Trump, & the CCP ( whose snuffing of Tibet was as imperialist as anything the right has ever done, in spite of the ideological-ignoring of the communist-ideologues ).


Jellyfish ARE anarchy: but brainless.

Vertebrates AREN’T anarchy, having brains.

Civilizations embody the same archy pattern.

& this isn’t mere ideology: it is systems fact, all of history showing this.

Even true-ashrams are archy: LivingSpirit’s the “boss”/brain, not individual-politics, so it’s every bit as archy as any system can be, but it’s got a non-individual ( yin-G-D isn’t “individualistic” ) “brain”, is all.


Which brings-in another principle: self-centrism vs overall-centrism ( narcissism vs altruism ).

Without sorting THAT out, then the whole “anarchy vs archy” question’s false-framed.

How could narcissism produce healthy-world, either in no-archy OR in archy??

Humankind needs to outgrow that, XOR humankind’s being extinguished, in The Great Filter, this-century ( world-species equivalent to puberty: when will-multiplying-technology gets potent enough, AND population-saturation-frustration combine with consequences-of-trashing-our-ecological-basis, including ClimatePunctuation, THEN … Great Filter: grow-up XOR force-extinguish one’s own species ).

DarkTriad’s the fundamental problem, not degree-of-archy.

Individual DarkTriads contending for their “victory” in “anarchy” will quickly enforce “archy”, as some win, due to circumstance, or whatever, over the others.

Vertebrateness/archy only multiplies the power of the civilization: archy is a technology not a political-nature.

Evil’s the root-problem, not the technology-we-structure-civil-process-through, archy or otherwise.

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