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• youcantreadthis@quokk.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  So to start off with, youre using one example of game theory, the prisoners dilemma, as a stand in for right/wrong.

  Which is so fucking many levels of insane i cant even address here.

  Are you in the bay area? That seems like san francisco brand stupid.

  Then you project your oversimplification onto me. Thats cool. Inspecting your intellectual lacunae is hella cool. You should try it.

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  • MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    So to start off with, youre using one example of game theory, the prisoners dilemma, as a stand in for right/wrong.

    I’m not. People can also co-operate to do bad things. The principle still applies.

    You either screw over others for individual benefit, or co-operate for collective benefit. That collective benefit can still be bad and come at the cost of ypur group defecting against another. Like a nation going to war.

    Or a small group in an advantaged position co-operating to enforce laws against a far larger group.

    Your oversimplification is stuff like “laws bad” or “violence bad”. Far more egregious imo.

    At least I apply logic that can be adapted to describe multiple scenarios, instead of boiling things down to flat statements.

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    • youcantreadthis@quokk.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Okay so a real reply if weve still got an audience:

      Notice how you attack me for being both ’over simplified’ and ‘florid’ in this thread? You need two things. The first is to defend the status quo. The second is to feel edgy transgressive and clever.

      And youre just doing that with ideas you misunderstand so badly i cant even bring myself to correct you on. Youre not applying logic; youre just rationalizing.

      Things are sometimes simple though. Violence indeed bad. Best avoided. Not a good thing. Youve clearly lived a very sheltered life and violence to you is just an abstraction. Youve never experienced the world so its really easy to imagine its all as flat and consequence free as your abstractions.

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      • MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        The first is to defend the status quo.

        I want change. I thought I made that clear.

        What I don’t agree with, is laws being pointless. Their ideal is to use violence to reduce and prevent violence.

        Human society needs that. Done well they are a net good.

        And you’re just doing that with ideas you misunderstand so badly i can’t even bring myself to correct you on.

        “You’re so wrong I can’t even describe it”, and you’re saying I’m the one trying to be edgy?

        Really convenient excuse to not actually engage.

        Things are sometimes simple though. Violence indeed bad. Best avoided. Not a good thing.

        Yes.

        And yet, it can be used to do good.

        Youve clearly lived a very sheltered life and violence to you is just an abstraction. Youve never experienced the world so its really easy to imagine its all as flat and consequence free as your abstractions.

        Ok? Figuring someone out, even if you pull it off, doesn’t invalidate their logic.

        And you’re picking and choosing among the things I’ve said. I’m not gonna repeat myself by pointing out the contradictions in these conclusions with what you should know about me.

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    • youcantreadthis@quokk.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Sorry, forgot about nominative determinism.

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