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youcantreadthis@quokk.au 2 days agoI think systems based on violence are bad, because i think violence is bad. Because theyre systems of violence, i do not think theres a way to be rid of them short of violence, but i think avoiding systematizing that violence minimizes the collateral harms.
I dont think murder being illegal has saved more lives than it has cost. I will not elaborate upon my ecidence, but it is from places squalid and opulent, decadent and visceral. The light it casts you in makes you look like a violent selfish child willing to kill–by proxy only, of course– to not have to consider the violence that is every calorie of sustenance to them.
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 2 days ago
Poetic.
Violence is to defect.
Some will always choose to defect.
To wish for a system where such defectors are not dealt with the only way which is effective, is naive.
That you think I need to be told that that’s still violence, even more so.
youcantreadthis@quokk.au 1 day ago
So to start off with, youre using one example of game theory, the prisoners dilemma, as a stand in for right/wrong.
Which is so fucking many levels of insane i cant even address here.
Are you in the bay area? That seems like san francisco brand stupid.
Then you project your oversimplification onto me. Thats cool. Inspecting your intellectual lacunae is hella cool. You should try it.
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
I’m not. People can also co-operate to do bad things. The principle still applies.
You either screw over others for individual benefit, or co-operate for collective benefit. That collective benefit can still be bad and come at the cost of ypur group defecting against another. Like a nation going to war.
Or a small group in an advantaged position co-operating to enforce laws against a far larger group.
Your oversimplification is stuff like “laws bad” or “violence bad”. Far more egregious imo.
At least I apply logic that can be adapted to describe multiple scenarios, instead of boiling things down to flat statements.
youcantreadthis@quokk.au 1 day ago
Okay so a real reply if weve still got an audience:
Notice how you attack me for being both ’over simplified’ and ‘florid’ in this thread? You need two things. The first is to defend the status quo. The second is to feel edgy transgressive and clever.
And youre just doing that with ideas you misunderstand so badly i cant even bring myself to correct you on. Youre not applying logic; youre just rationalizing.
Things are sometimes simple though. Violence indeed bad. Best avoided. Not a good thing. Youve clearly lived a very sheltered life and violence to you is just an abstraction. Youve never experienced the world so its really easy to imagine its all as flat and consequence free as your abstractions.
youcantreadthis@quokk.au 1 day ago
Sorry, forgot about nominative determinism.