Comment on let's kill proton mail
stoy@lemmy.zip 19 hours agoArguing about what people should or should not have to do is pointless.
It changes nothing and removes the debate from being practical to being theoretical.
Comment on let's kill proton mail
stoy@lemmy.zip 19 hours agoArguing about what people should or should not have to do is pointless.
It changes nothing and removes the debate from being practical to being theoretical.
mushroomman_toad@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 hours ago
It’s not theoretical. Protonmail should not have handed over the personal data for victims of political persecution.
stoy@lemmy.zip 17 hours ago
They clearly give you options to avoid this scenario, this is not on Proton, this is simply an opsec fail of the user.
Don’t get me wrong, opsec is hard, exhausting and just annoying, it needs discipline and constant focus, you only need to fail once for it to be ineffective.
The customer signed up for Proton, but didn’t follow their guidelines for anonymity, that is not a failure of proton, it is a failure of the user.
mushroomman_toad@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 hours ago
Maybe they’ve changed the website, but when I started using Proton, they never gave me any warning about paying with a credit card.
stoy@lemmy.zip 10 hours ago
And that is why you would have failed at opsec.
You can’t demand warnings about stuff like that all the time, YOU need to teach yourself these things.
You can’t rely on anyone else for your own opsec.
That is the entire argument here.
The guy should have read up on protecting his anonymity before he started his activities.
Opsec fails have brought down many, many people.
From darknet site owners, to government agency operations, to countries at war and more.
Opsec sounds easy at first, but it is extremely difficult, and you can’t rely on anyone else doing your job for you.
You need to develop OCD like habits, you need to understand why they are needed, and what you are giving away when breaking them.
You imply that a warning would have prevented the guy from using his credit card, I don’t think it would have made any difference, the guy would either not understand at all, or just ignore it
Unless he intuitively understood that Proton was required to retain cc numbers for X years, and that these cc numbers were tied to a specific transaction, his account and his identity, I just don’t see him taking a warning serious.
This is the real world, it isn’t fair, it doesn’t care, you need to care about this for your self preservation.
gravitas@pie.gravitywell.xyz 15 hours ago
How do you think it would play out if protob refuses lawful orders from a court in the country they operate in?
I do think proton does a lot of misleading advertising, but its still on the user to research and have good opsec. Paying with a card when crypto is an option, using the same service for both email and a vpn, using that service from a public wifi near where you are known to live while actively doing crimes.. Proton is running a business not a criminal protection racket.
mushroomman_toad@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 hours ago
Privacy is not a crime, nor is protesting.