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theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

So it is the societal and cultural context that dictates whether it is okay or not, and not something actually tangible and measurable?

Yes, of course. This is quite literally what defines morality itself. There is no universal, tangible, or measurable morality.

Then I hope we may shift that context a bit to perhaps treat animals a bit less like robots overall, and individual living creatures with their own emotional lives and complexities.

Okay.

Tradition, and personal satisfaction is a poor excuse to continue something abusive.

Yes, which is why it is good that we aren’t doing anything abusive by artificially inseminating livestock.

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Dojan@pawb.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
For what it’s worth, I am not trying to trap you in a “gotcha”, I’m trying to follow your logic because it doesn’t make any sense to me. The division between OK and not OK seems to me completely arbitrary.

If say, a large enough population of people were to deem a certain subgroup of humans as livestock, would it then be ethically correct to artificially inseminate them and slaughter them for their meat?

My knee-jerk reaction is no, but said knee-jerk reaction extends to all animals.

Similarly, I don’t see why there’s a line drawn between someone artificially inseminating a cow so that you can slaughter and eat the flesh of them and their offspring, and sexually abusing the same cow.

I’m not a vegan. I was born a vegetarian, and haven’t ever eaten flesh on purpose. Unlike vegans I don’t really see a problem with say, caring for sheep as pets, and using their wool to make yarn.

Yes, which is why it is good that we aren’t doing anything abusive by artificially inseminating livestock.

I don’t know. If someone viewed me as livestock, and stuck an implement in me and squirted me full of semen, I don’t think I’d care that it’s ethical in their eyes.

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- theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  Forcibly impregnating someone is rape. Artificially inseminating livestock is not rape. Having sex with a pet animal is rape. Having sex with a consenting adult is not rape.
  
  I don’t think you’re being genuine, but if you really can’t tell the difference between these 4 things or why there are lines drawn between them and actually do find them to be arbitrary distinctions, then I don’t know what to tell you.
  
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  - Dojan@pawb.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Yeah, I’m sorry but I don’t really see the difference.
    
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