Comment on White House: Trump's Alleged 2006 Call to Palm Beach Police Chief 'Cracks' Establishment's Epstein Narrative on POTUS

• Lovstuhagen@hilariouschaos.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I ask people for the evidence, and they say stuff like, “His name is mentioned 35,000 times…!” … across millions of emails where politics is being discussed.

  This isn’t really evidence.

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  • AngryRedHerring@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    “There’s so much evidence that it’s not really evidence!!!”

    Cry me a river.

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    • Lovstuhagen@hilariouschaos.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      If there was substantive evidence, they would not simply quote a number at you.

      But there isn’t any because none of those references tie back to anything significant.

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      • AngryRedHerring@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Keep on telling yourself that. You guys have been wrapping yourselves in tissue-thin tales of cope ever since you realized that Trump’s campaign promise to release the files was BS. The endless parade of lies blowing up in your faces lately would be a bit sad if it wasn’t so richly deserved.

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  • NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Then I’ll mention the multiple verified trips on the lolita express, multiple of which were just him, Epstein, and one other suspiciously young girl. The 27+ independent reports of rape from completely unconnected women, the creepy letters, the creepy drawing, the countless mentions of him specifically talking about the parties on the island in cryptic celebratory terms, the fact that he has outright said he has taken advantage of women in rapey ways, E Jean Carrol and the fact that he legally can’t sue for being called a rapist because he was proven to have raped her.

    Need more? There’s a lot more. You’re just going ignore or disregard all of this and then pick one of them to respond about to try to end any further talk of the others, because you’re well trained.

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    • Lovstuhagen@hilariouschaos.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Some of what you say is true, and some of it seems to be false.

      This is all from an article from the New Yorker dated Feb. 11th of this year:

      Did Trump ever fly on Epstein’s plane?

      Yes, though Trump has denied it. Flight logs made public in various court proceedings show Trump flew on Epstein’s plane at least seven times between 1993 and 1997. As the Miami Herald reported in 2021, Trump was accompanied by his then-wife,

      Marla Maples, and two of his young children on some of these flights: The flights were all between Palm Beach and New York City airports, with the June 1994 flight stopping at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport between Palm Beach and New York.

      A woman named Marla, apparently Trump’s then-wife Marla Maples, is listed as joining him on the June 1994 flight, along with a Tiffany, apparently their then-infant daughter, and a nanny. Trump’s son Eric is listed as joining him on an August 1995 flight between Palm Beach and New York.

      Did Trump ever visit Epstein’s island?

      There is no evidence that Trump ever visited Little St. James, Epstein’s residence in the U.S. Virgin Islands. Epstein allegedly trafficked and sexually abused women and girls there, which is why it was nicknamed “Orgy Island,” “Pedophile Island,” and “Island of Sin.”

      However, this is pretty wild:

      The 3 million pages of Epstein documents released on January 29, 2026 include newly disclosed unverified allegations that Trump sexually assaulted women and young girls.

      The most salacious and disturbing new document is a list of unverified assault allegations against Trump, based on tips to the FBI’s National Threat Operations Center. The spreadsheet was sent between agents at the FBI’s Child Exploitation and Human Trafficking Task Force in an August 2025 email exchange. The Miami Herald summarized some of the claims on the list:

      One alleged that a friend had been “forced to perform oral sex on President Trump” in New Jersey, about 35 years prior, when she was 13 or 14 years old.

      In another, a caller said she was a 16-year-old model when she attended parties at Epstein’s residence in New York and he sexually assaulted her. She also alleged she was abused by the three Miami brothers accused of a pattern of serial rape, who are currently facing federal sex trafficking charges — Oren, Alon and Tal Alexander.

      “Caller named other individuals involved in ‘big orgy parties’ with her,” the tip states. “Other young girls, and older Victoria’s Secret models, including Bill Clinton and Donald Trump.”

      The spreadsheet says some of the accusers could not be reached by the FBI agents, and one was “deemed not credible.” Another tip was passed along to the “Washington Office” to conduct an interview. In the email exchange, one of the agents notes “some of these individuals are reporting second-hand information.”

      Another heavily redacted document describes a 2021 FBI interview with one of Epstein’s victims, who claimed Ghislaine Maxwell once “presented her” to Trump at a party:

      Another file shows what appears to be an internal July 2025 FBI email with the subject line “Names in JE file.” Trump is listed among the “positive case hits” and his name is highlighted along with Prince Andrew and Harvey Weinstein to indicate “contains salacious information.” The note next to the president’s name says “one identified victim claimed abuse by Trump but ultimately refused to cooperate”:

      A previously unreleased FBI form describes a complaint from an anonymous woman accusing Trump of raping her when she was 13 years old. This matches the allegations a woman known as Jane Doe or Katie Johnson made against Trump in lawsuits that were filed and dropped right before the 2016 election.

      The documents contain no proof that the FBI found the allegations against Trump credible — nor do they support his upbeat assessment a day after they were released. “I didn’t see it myself,” Trump said of the release. “But I was told by some very important people that not only does it absolve me, it’s the opposite of what people were hoping.”

      Of course, these are serious allegations and fit the general pattern of what we know about the Epstein files.

      But some more on the specific allegations of Katie Johnson and Jane Doe:

      What happened to Trump accuser Katie Johnson?

      In 2016, a woman who went by the pseudonyms Katie Johnson and Jane Doe in legal filings accused Trump of raping her in 1994, when she was 13, during an orgy held at Epstein’s Manhattan home. She claimed Epstein raped her as well.

      Three suits were filed over the same allegations; the first was dismissed for failure to properly state a claim, and another was voluntarily dismissed. The third case was withdrawn just days before the 2016 election, and the accuser canceled a press conference at the last minute. Her attorney, Lisa Bloom, said the woman had received death threats and “she has decided she is too afraid to show her face … She is in terrible fear.”

      The circumstances around the cases were bizarre, as Vox summarized at the time:

      It was the end of an incredibly strange case that featured an anonymous plaintiff who had refused almost all requests for interviews, two anonymous corroborating witnesses whom no one in the press had spoken to, and a couple of seriously shady characters — with an anti-Trump agenda and a penchant for drama — who had aggressively shopped the story around to media outlets for over a year.

      Those shady characters — a former reality-TV producer who calls himself Al Taylor and a Never Trump conservative activist named Steve Baer — had been mostly unsuccessful in getting the media to bite. There are a few very good reasons for that, which the Huffington Post’s Ryan Grim succinctly summed up: Taylor and Baer have been really sketchy about the whole thing, and since the accuser is anonymous, journalists can’t do anything to verify her claims. The only journalist who has actually interviewed Johnson, Emily Shugerman at Revelist, came away confused and even doubting whether Johnson really exists.

      The article also apparently accepts the narrative that Trump was trying to stop Epstein in 2006:

      Among the3 million-plus pages of Epstein files released by the DOJ in January 2026 was a previously unknown FBI interview in which former Palm Beach police chief Michael Reiter said Trump called him in 2006 to provide information about Epstein.

      Reiter reached out to the FBI in 2019 to turn over old Epstein evidence that had come into his possession. In the record of his interview with FBI agents, Reiter said that he got a call from Trump in July 2006, just as Epstein was arrested by the Palm Beach Police Department on state felony charges of procuring a minor for prostitution and solicitation of a prostitute.

      Trump said, according to Reiter, “Thank goodness you’re stopping him, everyone has known he’s been doing this,” referring to their social circle in Palm Beach and New York. He also told Reiter he should look into Ghislane Maxwell because “she is evil,” and claimed that he was once around Epstein when teen girls were present and he “got the hell out of there.”

      While this makes is sound like Trump was trying to put Epstein behind bars in 2006, it also contradicts his repeated claims many years later that he knew nothing about his former friend’s sexual misconduct.

      (I will continue in another post)

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      • Lovstuhagen@hilariouschaos.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        More on what the Epstein emails actually say about Trump:

        In November 2025, the House Oversight Committee released 23,000 pages of documents from Epstein’s estate. These included many typo-strewn emails Epstein sent between 2011 and 2019, in which he mocked Trump, hinted he had damaging information on the new president, and even claimed Trump was aware of “the girls.”

        In April 2011, Epstein wrote to Maxwell, “i want you to realize that that dog that hasn’t barked is trump… [REDACTED VICTIM] spent hours at my house with him , he has never once been mentioned. police chief. etc. im 75 % there.”

        Maxwell replied, “I have been thinking about that …”

        In a January 2019 email to journalist Michael Wolff, Epstein said in reference to Mar-a-Lago, “trump said he asked me to resign, never a member ever,” adding, “of course he knew about the girls as he asked ghislane to stop.”

        About a month later, Epstein sent Wolff what appear to be notes on his previous criminal prosecution in Florida. “Trump knew of it. and came to my house many times during that period,” adding, “He never got a massage.”

        Obviously, it’s very possible that the sex offender was lying in these emails. All of the Epstein messages released so far were sent years after his reported “falling out” with Trump. Aside from the birthday letter, no communications between Trump and Epstein have been made public.

        This is rather interesting - “he never got a massage” as stated by Epstein.

        This is also not entirely out of character. After all, Trump is infamously a teetotaller.

        But yeah, I think this is a good summary of everything relevant.

        Would you like to add some stuff? Did the article miss anything?

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