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Tis you missing the point. The person I responded to just condemned everyone opposing globalists, and globalism, as anti jewish, because the far right co-opted anti globalism and identified jews as the culprits, rather than Wall Street, and big money.

Globalism, globalists, is not synonomous with “jews” at all, and that type of reactionary response, to defend or reject completely something unfairly attacked or supported by the right, is what loses credibility, and furthers captured interests remaining captured.

When the republicans want to make the fda worse, and attack them for whatever, we (you,) will defend everything about the fda, even though in reality we know they have for decades been run by pharma board members and executives and lobbyists that have ratfucked them for 40 years. Defend against unfair attacks, don’t defend their fact free campaigns to schedule a plant with demonstrably false arguments, and the like.

Likewise the far right conflating the abuses of wall street in globalism with jews shouldn’t lead you to support wall street’s globalism. Oppose the incorrect conflation of globalism with one group of people when it’s many groups of big monied interests.

It’s about too dumb to have to argue, which makes sense since you didn’t actually make a reasoned argument but a rather nonsensical refutation of an ill defined point.

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TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Literally never heard a single person use that term who wasn’t an Alex jones psycho and they definitely mean Jews when they say it. Even reading your messages here expanding on this, it feels like a fever dream describing positions no one actually holds. I’ve heard a lot of different viewpoints and this is a first for me.

Bottom line, you need a new term. You don’t get to speak the language of racist conspiracy wack jobs and then blame everyone else for noticing.

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- hector@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  You have no idea what you are talking about, globalism has been used for 30 years, and there were huge left protests in Seattle and elsewhere as such.
  
  Bottom line, you think you know things without having learned them, meaning you have no credibility, and that you can be tooled by malign interests to manipulate your fellow citizens to ill outcomes.
  
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  - TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    You don’t get to speak the language of racist conspiracy wack jobs and then blame everyone else for noticing.
    
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    hector@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    You don’t get to cancel entire left issues because the right cynically co-opts it. You better hope so anyway.
    
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  - prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    Bottom line, you think you know things without having learned them, meaning you have no credibility, and that you can be tooled by malign interests to manipulate your fellow citizens to ill outcomes.
    
    Weird to end a comment by directly addressing yourself, but good on your for recognizing
    
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    hector@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Pathetic, your argument is basically the same as excusing all epstein conspirators because Q co opted it.
    
    Too dumb to refute but here we are. I recognize your name too, this isn’t your first wrong-headed opinion backed by personal attacks when questioned. Which makes sense because you can’t use reason.
    
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LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Again, I don’t think we disagree. It is a complex topic, and one worth talking about, especially within circles that should generally unite against common enemies.

There are people who use globalist as a dogwhistle to mean global Jewish conspiracy bullshit, dating back to the original Nazis.

There are people, like attac, Occupy Wallstreet and so on, that used and use globalism in its economical meaning in order to criticise the current system of exploitation and speculation.

There are people that intentionally try to paint the second kind of people as antisemites, especially if they dare to call out Israel, in order to discredit them.

There are people that intentionally try to infiltrate arguments in order to make people support antisemitism and to make it seem that antisemitism is a valid opinion.

I don’t really know why you dragged the Democrats in here. I’m not even from the US, from my point of view, large parts of the Democrats are a turbo-capitalist right-wing party that happen to have a handful of progressive social values. Obviously, the Republicans are fascists in everything but their lack of trains and Mediterranean food.

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- hector@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  I dragged the democrats into the topic of globalism predating the right co-opting it for malign and ad hoc reasons, and it being a left issue going back to the 90s and before, as in the WTO protests in seattle, and not limited to that, and as in Union opposition to building factories in low wage countries, buying their machines, and exporting our technology there to save money on labor and environmental costs to undercut wages in the developed world, because the democrats embracing globalism, and neo liberalism in the Clinton model, allowed the Right to do an end run around the democrats and seize the issue under cynical arguments to win over enough low information voters to win the elections.
  
  It worked and America First worked, because the democrats have become the status quo and allowed the republicans to adopt the mantle of reform, a change of roles from the great depression that saw democrats as the party of popular reform and representing workers, that was upended when the democrats were captured by monied interests after the 1971 business roundtable had big money make the first iteration of the long game to undo the gains since the new deal and to kill the republic in all but name, project 2025 being the newer iteration of that same game plan. Amongst the many campaigns they started, from infecting labor with the mob and law enforcement; changing numbers like the CPI to understate inflation, 2-3% from 5-8% average just by 2008 for 50 years prior, several rounds of changes to understate it; to corrupting the democratic party, turning it into a creature of the rich, working for the donors, whose goal is to play good cop to R bad cop, (even as R’s are now playing hitler they continue as it’s 1990,) and to crush popular reform in the cradle, making sure democratic leaders are weak, and won’t upset the license the rich continually grant themselves, ratcheting the country to plutocracy, and a police state and it’s erosion of liberties.
  
  As such, and I explained it somewhat but since you asked so reasonably, the democrats failing to oppose shipping or jobs, technology, and capital, to brutal autocracies that enslave millions, thousands of millions, of people to 6 days a week, 12 hour a day factory jobs, working for starvations wages, while they dump their pollution in the ditch, no protections, no social services to speak of. In china many aren’t even citizens in the cities they work in, they are illegal immigrants in their own country. Forced off of their family farms in the Great Leap Forward where smallholders, a majority of the population at the time, were forced off their land and into the cities to feed the industrial meat grinder, to use the greed of the west against it, to get their technology, and their factories built for free, and to get a veritable veto in many respects with the ability to nationalize any of the factories over there on 99 year leases.
  
  The non citizens of the city aren’t legally allowed to be in those cities, they can be beat up, arrested, fired, and run out of town on a word from their employer, after being forced off of their family farms prior.
  
  It’s a system that only benefits the ruling classes. It sold out American workers, started a race to the bottom, both in wages and regulations, and in quality of products, sold out the workers in the countries they shipped the jobs to, that perhaps got the worst end of the stick, and then dump goods here for cheap, with no tariffs to compensate for undercutting labor and the environment to force our remaining companies to follow suit or go out of business.
  
  By not calling that out, and representing the interests of workers, it allowed the president to pretend to do so, and win. It’s not hard to understand and frankly I feel at this point anyone claiming ignorance at this point is doing so willingly to distract from the issue, whether it’s to excuse their own miscalculations about supporting and trusting the wrong people, or whether they are actually the enemy manipulating us, or whatever else possibilities there could be. The republicans can only win as such because the democrats are captured. There is no way out under their leadership, and they continue to blame others, the voters, the “left,” for their loss, to justify staying in power to do it again. Even as those arguments are not logical, they knew the candidates and platforms would lose, but forced them anyway, and because they allege they lost due to bigotry it’s ok to have thrown the election? Based of a false premise it’s a nonsensical point.
  
  So that is why it has to be brought up, because they are fixing elections now and the succession fight in 2028 might be the last chance to take it from them, and these democrats are unwilling and unable to do so. Everyone knows they are being screwed if not by whom, we all know what the electorate is, ignorance is no excuse. We need reform for it’s own sake too, the plutocratic rot is visible on the surface and the rot is throughout the body politic, everyone sees it’s sick, and without popular reform we are going from treating with leaches and mercury to surgery with Dr Goat Balls. (A doctor that pioneered a method to switch out man testicles for goat testicles, had the most powerful radio tower and station in the country, and then in mexico right across the border promoting it, until the AMA, newly formed finally put a stop to him.)
  
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