yea we don’t care about the semantics when people are being shot with impunity
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FishFace@piefed.social 23 hours agoIt means society has agreed officially that it should be punished, and you’re getting away with it.
You’re talking about the direct, practical implications, and sure, there it’s no different. But there’s more to life than that.
baines@piefed.social 23 hours ago
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
you don’t, but that doesn’t mean it won’t turn out to be important later. Assuming fascism won’t last forever it can matter for the trials to come.
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 hours ago
I am not saying he’s innocent in any way shape or form. I’m just saying that his actions being “illegal” has little meaning if the system can’t or won’t enforce the consequences.
FishFace@piefed.social 23 hours ago
Then you’re throwing away a whole load of favour for absolutely no reason whatsoever except that it gives you a feeling of self-righteousness.
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 hours ago
But society “officially” agreeing is morality, not law. What he has done and is doing is wrong and deserves punishment for that, not strictly because “it’s illegal”. The difference is demanding consequences vs relying on someone else to administer them.
FishFace@piefed.social 23 hours ago
No, society agreeing is morality (well, depends on your conception of morality). Officially agreeing is the difference between that concept and law.
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 hours ago
I’m not following. I can see how “laws are society officially agreeing on what is ok”, but conviction and enforcement of those laws has nothing to do with society.
I don’t see how society can officially agree, short of declaring the government illegitimate and starting a civil war.
FishFace@piefed.social 23 hours ago
Yeah I’m not sure what’s happened but we’re definitely talking about different things! Society (democratic ones), during its normal operation, officially agrees on things by creating laws that have the agreement of the public. Laws forbidding murder, and laws circumscribing how officials can use their powers, are of this type. So just because part of the government stops enforcing those laws doesn’t mean society didn’t (officially) make them. They’ve been (unofficially) suspended.
What Nazi Germany did (just to bring it back to the picture) was seized power (through illegal suppression of the democratic process) and then used that perverted legal process to - officially, but no longer democratically - change the laws.