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Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 7 hours agofight extremist ideologies of all kinds
I do largely? I’m very anti-nazi but it’s just there’s one very clear extremist ideology that’s killing my friends that everyone seems to be dancing around
For example, theres plenty of shit atheists
When atheists shoot up Bondi killing 15, take hostages in the lindt cafe, wave the atheist flag while decapitating, torturing and beheading across the middle east and africa
If atheists start demanding women cover themselves up from head to toe, throw gays off of rooftops, suicide bomb, behead, gang rape
Or to bring it back to Australia: Even as simple as get infiltrated by evil dictator worshippers (who recently got potentially up to 30,000 Iranian civilians killed) with somehow everyone around not even noticing??? Who’s the greens member in the photo?
Or getting ISIS flags waved on the Sydney Harbour Bridge for the first time:
I’ve already had a go at the ‘former atheist’ and absolute dork Jihadi Jake:
The Australian government is investigating unconfirmed reports that an Australian teenage Muslim convert who ran away to join Islamic State (IS) has carried out a suicide attack in Iraq. Details of casualties were not immediately known. Last year, he talked online to BBC Newsnight’s Secunder Kermani.
www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-31845428
But again, look who’s involved :P
Also jeez 2015, damn I been complaining for a long time
By this measure theres plenty of good christians, jews, hindus, muslims, atheists, et al.
Yes I can say this as well, there’s many very nice Muslims, some who drink and don’t pray daily, some who barely follow it at all, cultural muslims in the same way as cultural christians
But would you ever say there’s plenty of good Nazi’s? If you don’t talk politics I think you’ll find many are perfectly cromulant to have a chat to, and we have to remember, the majority of Nazi’s were just ordinary German (and ((Vichy)) French) civilians, they didn’t hurt anyone :)
But despite them being good people, it’s still a bad ideology, and I want nothing to do with it.
Like we can debate judiasm and christianity, but debating Islam is the only one that’ll get me killed
There’s nothing else like Islam, not even close:
Counter Terrorism Strategy 2022-2025: Appendix A - Persons charged with terrorism-related offences in Victoria 2005-2022
When atheists shoot up Bondi killing 15, take hostages in the lindt cafe
theguardian.com/…/invasion-day-rally-perth-man-ch…
Incompetence/luck is the only reason this type of scenario didn’t play out in Perth yesterday.
Morons are going to Moron. They come in all shapes and sizes, all nationalities and religions (or no religion). Lumping them all together with people who aren’t morons is just silly.
I agree but disagree, morons do moron and we take action to fix these problems, some like domestic violence are endemic but we are working to stamp it out, but I think there’s an outstanding number of actions committed by members of one particular religion:
Counter Terrorism Strategy 2022-2025: Appendix A - Persons charged with terrorism-related offences in Victoria 2005-2022
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There are definitely attacks by others, big list of em all here:
…gov.au/…/appendix-b-timeline-major-terrorist-inc…
But there’s one thing in particular I notice:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Australia#Terr…
There’s just something that keeps popping up I can’t put my finger on it
Something that keeps… showing… up :P
Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone 5 hours ago
That answer has displayed, yet again, a complete lack of understanding of the individual and societal drivers that cause radicalisation. Religion is the excuse, but anger has causal connections to people’s material wellbeing, such as economic stability, subjugation as a group or as an individual (think about the M.O. for all those US school shooters, they’re often like your example of jihadi jake).
The simple answer of ‘Islam is the target’ is at best selfish to our physical selves in our own time and leaves any manner of ongoing issues for future generations to deal with.
Bondi??? Come on…
What do you reckon the beliefs of the Bondi stabber were? Despite the false and societally damaging claims of Islamist, he was defintiely not, and probably christian or atheist (doesn’t say what though). What about Desi Freeman, or any of the murderers in this post.
These are all radicalised people, harming others. Islamist terror attacks might be more numerous against Australians now, but they won’t be forever, and by targeting the group and not the root societal causes you leave the real problems to fester and harm different groups of people, out of each different group (religious or other) some will be radicalised.
Stalin, Pol-pot, Lenin, Mao all claimed at one stage or another to be atheists, they’re examples for you of truly terrible atheists, they had communist ideologies, but not religion. I find it hard to believe Stalin really had an ideology though, he was just pedo cunt I think, so of you really want a non-ideological mass murderer try him, or the Kim (NK) clan.
Also, you can say Islam is a bad ideology, and you want nothing to do with it. Thats okay, best thing to do is move through your life without going out of your way at every instance to attack Islam as a group with examples of individuals of that group showing their personal extremism. By attacking the group, we only fan the persuasive flames of the radicals exploiting the existing prejudices and causes of societal dejection these often, young men, feel.
To take your examples of the bridge flag cunts. If you blamed those people, and said what dickheads are they, instead of blaming all Islam for what ISIS represents, (which is how it comes across in your comments), I think you’d have a much better reaction from people. But instead your comments flatten the beliefs of millions of people under one homogeneous identity.
A personal source to end: I grew up with a Muslim, one of the most peaceful bastards I know. I also grew up with atheists, one of those I just found out beat and emotionally tormented his ex-wife. Go figure.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 3 hours ago
So this is a good reply but I can’t reply to it all otherwise I’ll be writing a book and I want to go to sleep but the main thing that catches me:
really?
This bro:
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This guy:
This guy?
thenightly.co.au/…/bondi-shooting-naveed-akrams-t…
Well if he’s not a muslim he’s doing a pretty good job pretending 😜
I get what you’re saying but but to me there is no resolve for Islam, unlike school shooters who are mislead kids, my resolve would be to fix the school system and whatever it is that’s causing them to lash out in such a harmful way, is access to guns to easy? then we need to restrict them, are schools not noticing when kids are going down a dark path? then we need to improve monitoring and child welfare.
On the other hand I cannot make peace with Islam or Nazism with ‘some people who follow it are friendly and others are mean, therefore it’s not the ideology it’s the person’, as someone who is anti-religion I have no desire to reform it or make peace with it, I simply don’t care for it or religion in general
I need to read the rest of your post tomorrow but I just want to say thanks for actually replying with a proper post, most of the people here on Lemmy don’t seem to have the capacity to respond beyond one line snarky responses so I appreciate it
Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone 3 hours ago
This must be down to the lateness of the hour. I was referring to Joel Cauchi, the Bondi Stabbing in 2024.