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• oftenawake@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  “Why do you care so much?” is a reasonable question, given that you are obsessed with this topic and on a mission to correct others with what you believe to be “facts”.

  It is a reasonable question given that your choice of “facts” aligns well with denying that trans people exist. The existence of trans people is an empirical fact you don’t seem to be interested in acknowledging.

  You “merely relaying how the field of biology defines sex” is disingenuous because your position on the whole matter is not inquisitive (in search of understanding) but authoritarian (telling others how to be).

  That’s why you will be called out on it repeatedly, because you are not telling the truth about your motives and try to pass yourself off as neutral and scientific.

  So I ask you again: Why do you care so much?

  The answer is pretty clear - you don’t acknowledge that you yourself are trans, because you haven’t developed the self-reflection skills to be honest with yourself about it yet. Instead you cling to biology text books, while telling trans people that they don’t exist.

  But we know your type very well - dishonest, mean-spirited denialists with no personal integrity.

  Your power struggle is with yourself.

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  • a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    Your power struggle is with yourself.

    Wisdom.

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• MissingInteger@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Now, where’s your answer to the questions I asked in my very first comment?

  What is Imane Khelif’s gender and sex?

  We are now really deep in the comment chain, but you still haven’t answered.

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  • powerstruggle@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Khelif identifies as a woman, and was determined to be male by sex testing. Khelif likely has the same condition as Caster Semenya (5αR2D), which often results in being incorrectly assigned female at birth due to ambiguous genitalia.

    Khelif is male due to producing sperm, which is why I wanted to clarify how biologists define sex. It isn’t based on chromosomes, testosterone, or anything other than gametes (slightly longer put, the gamete type one’s body is organized around producing).

    If you want to discuss the accuracy of the sex testing done that’s fine too, but for the sake of answering your question I didn’t go into that.

    So gender is female and sex is male.

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    • MissingInteger@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Where exactly do you get this informations from? I can’t find any reputable reporting about 5αR2D in connection with Imane Khelif. The Wikipedia article about her links to quite a few sources and none of these discuss that.
      The introduction has this sentence summarizing three sources:

      No medical evidence exists to suggest that she is transgender or has XY chromosomes, disorders of sex development, or elevated levels of testosterone.

      The 2025 “sex verification testing” of the “World Boxing” would exclude her in many cases as not a woman, where she would be a “biological female” even under your definition (SRY gene, high testostrone etc.), where her body would still be “organized around producing a larger type of gamete”.

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      I’m am positively suprised that we can agree that Imane Khelif is a woman. With my preconceptions, I almost expected you to say that she is a man (sorry about that).

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      • powerstruggle@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        This goes over the 5αR2D claim:

        www.snopes.com/…/imane-khelif-medical-records/

        Note that it confuses gender and sex, and says that the reports are unverified, but that should be interpreted as “Nobody is willing to go on the record about leaked medical reports” which is a “no duh” because that’s a good way to get sued. Here’s a screenshot from the source:

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        There have been several leaks of medical records, and nobody has been willing to go on record saying “these are fake/edited/whatever”. The IOC has directly implied it’s a DSD case:

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        That’s in addition to the sex tests that were requested by the IBA, but done by an independent accredited lab:

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        YMMV, but that along with other circumstantial evidence like Khelif avoiding any competitions that now require sex testing, is enough for me to conclude that the leaks are almost certainly correct. I’ll gladly go back and edit my past comments if Khelif ever proves otherwise.

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