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• SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  We already accept 3,400 deaths per day from human drivers.

  If autonomous vehicles were to cause one death ever, would they still not be worth pursuing?

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  • massacre@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I never said that, nor implied it. I certainly personally think it’s worth pursuit. I was pointing out Waymo was being given a bit of a pass there, and want to remind folks that profit incidentive that ignores or downplays human risk is not at all appealing and shouldn’t be given a free pass.

    If Waymo can drive and “only” kills 1% of the equivalent per human miles driven, it’s certainly better right? But given that it’s a machine with a company that has a profit motive behind it, it’s goals need to be lofty. Why not set the bar at zero human deaths as a goal post and work from there? As soon as you say a single death is acceptable, it changes how everyone approaches it and turns into “well, is a second death acceptable?” and that’s going to quickly devolve into “what is an acceptable level of death for our profit margin.” To be clear, I’m arguing the answer should always be NONE. The alternative is a slippery slope, so I don’t want to give anyone a pass.

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    • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The goal is zero, at least stated by some of their competitors. People are just getting bent out of shape when faced with the reality that, inevitably, it’ll happen. Due to people being dumb and panicky and terwsistant to change, every implementation needs to demonstrate orders of magnitude more safety than human drivers in order to gain acceptance. This is why rogue companies like Tesla, and compilations of trash like this post, are making the industry look bad.

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      • massacre@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        That’s most definitely not what’s going on here with me personally. I’m not bent out of shape about autonomous driving and demonstrated that largely it’s competent and better than most human drivers already. It’s already happening. But I appreciate the dumb and panicky shot across the bow. Then the chef’s kiss of “trash like this post” claiming I am making the industry look bad. No, please take a look at Waymo leadership. THEY are making the industry look bad. I’m not even against Waymo! They are actually doing heaps better than most and seem viable as a company. Please remember that challenging people to do better doesn’t mean you’re against them on the whole. Not everyone is 100% against you because they call out one aspect of a post either.

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